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Kyle Lowry Opts Out
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:50 am
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This can only help our chances of getting Jrue back if Lowry finds a new place to play.
This can only help our chances of getting Jrue back if Lowry finds a new place to play.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 11:52 am
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:55 am to FL tigers 321
Lowry to philly!
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:04 pm to FL tigers 321
It's not about Lowry opting out, that was always going to happen. It's about whether the Raptors want to commit to becoming a tax team to have just a top 4 seed with no hope of dethroning the Cavs. If they don't Lowry goes and that can change the market for Holiday.
I've also seen some people throwing around an Asik for DeMarre Carroll swap. Carroll isn't what he used to be, but if we aren't stretching Asik, he could at least be a useful bench player for the next 2 years. For the Raptors, if they can't dump Carroll for free and were going to stretch him, Asik's extra partially guaranteed year makes him a better stretch. $3.5 for 7 years vs about $5 for 5 years if they stretched Carroll.
I'd make that swap to turn Asik into a 20 MPG backup 3/4. It also makes Cunningham expendable, so you turn 2 roster slots and Asik and Cunningham's current salary into Carroll.
I've also seen some people throwing around an Asik for DeMarre Carroll swap. Carroll isn't what he used to be, but if we aren't stretching Asik, he could at least be a useful bench player for the next 2 years. For the Raptors, if they can't dump Carroll for free and were going to stretch him, Asik's extra partially guaranteed year makes him a better stretch. $3.5 for 7 years vs about $5 for 5 years if they stretched Carroll.
I'd make that swap to turn Asik into a 20 MPG backup 3/4. It also makes Cunningham expendable, so you turn 2 roster slots and Asik and Cunningham's current salary into Carroll.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:24 pm to TigerinATL
I'd gladly swap Asik for Carroll, even though i know Carroll isn't that good. He's at least playable, and might even be tradeable as an expiring since he can still actually play unlike Asik.
I'd also still would want to keep Cunningham, if we could. I still like him as a player, and he's a nice small contract but good player you can throw in a trade.
I'd also still would want to keep Cunningham, if we could. I still like him as a player, and he's a nice small contract but good player you can throw in a trade.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:57 pm to TigerinATL
raps fans will burn that arena to the ground if they let lwry walk...really puts the team in a tough spot.
yep...
though theres something to be said for having a spot in line every year, cant win if you cant get in. maybe lebron has enough of the grind in a couple of years, or gets hurt, or something. when you are in the east there is a much higher likelihood of getting lucky
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It's about whether the Raptors want to commit to becoming a tax team to have just a top 4 seed with no hope of dethroning the Cavs
yep...
though theres something to be said for having a spot in line every year, cant win if you cant get in. maybe lebron has enough of the grind in a couple of years, or gets hurt, or something. when you are in the east there is a much higher likelihood of getting lucky
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 12:59 pm to cgrand
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raps fans will burn that arena to the ground if they let lwry walk...really puts the team in a tough spot.
They should burn the GM's office down if they give $200m/5 yrs to a 31 year old PG who has a terrible postseason record.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:16 pm to Broski
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They should burn the GM's office down if they give $200m/5 yrs to a 31 year old PG who has a terrible postseason record.
So...Chris Paul....
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:31 pm to Jester
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So...Chris Paul....
Never said I wanted Chris Paul
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:37 pm to Jester
Lowry has a bad postseason record because he plays like shite.
At least Paul plays well.
At least Paul plays well.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:04 pm to htran90
So since this is a Pelicans topic, you guys wouldn't give Lowry 4/$152M?
I sure as shite wouldn't, even if making the cap space for him was easy. I like Lowry as a player, but anyone that gives him $38M/yr, which is more than a 1/3 of a teams salary cap, isn't going to be winning anything of importance.
I mean he's a really good player, but he shouldn't be making $40M a year. I'd bet the Raptors will give him the max, and will continue to never get out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. Washington is better than them, and will be in the future, as will Boston.
I guess the real Pelicans info here isnt' with Lowry, but with how Toronto makes room for his ridiculous contract. Carroll/Joseph for Asik in an uneven trade would give them an extra $17M in cap space, stretching Asik. It would also make us operate under the cap i believe, which i'm not a fan of, especially if it's for those two guys.
In more realistic news, Rudy Gay opted out of his contract, so he'll be a free agent. I'm sure he's wanting to go somewhere with a shot at postseason success. I know he's coming off an injury, but i'd still like to give him a run. Not sure what he's looking for, but he opted out of $14M this year, and that's with a major injury.
I sure as shite wouldn't, even if making the cap space for him was easy. I like Lowry as a player, but anyone that gives him $38M/yr, which is more than a 1/3 of a teams salary cap, isn't going to be winning anything of importance.
I mean he's a really good player, but he shouldn't be making $40M a year. I'd bet the Raptors will give him the max, and will continue to never get out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. Washington is better than them, and will be in the future, as will Boston.
I guess the real Pelicans info here isnt' with Lowry, but with how Toronto makes room for his ridiculous contract. Carroll/Joseph for Asik in an uneven trade would give them an extra $17M in cap space, stretching Asik. It would also make us operate under the cap i believe, which i'm not a fan of, especially if it's for those two guys.
In more realistic news, Rudy Gay opted out of his contract, so he'll be a free agent. I'm sure he's wanting to go somewhere with a shot at postseason success. I know he's coming off an injury, but i'd still like to give him a run. Not sure what he's looking for, but he opted out of $14M this year, and that's with a major injury.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:23 pm to Jester
From an article on the possibility of Lowry to the Spurs:
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So would any team with cap space be willing to give up a 1st for Danny Green? If not maybe that could be a target if we S&T Jrue and get a trade exception.
Holiday to NYK for Lance Thomas
1st + Ajinca/QPon/Frazier for Rubio and sweetener
2nds + Sweetener to SAS for Danny Green
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the max money doesn’t work unless two of the following three things happen: Pau Gasol declines his player option, the final year of Parker’s contract is stretch waived, and/or Danny Green is traded. (The nuclear option is trading LaMarcus Aldridge, but we won’t dive into that idea for now.)
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So would any team with cap space be willing to give up a 1st for Danny Green? If not maybe that could be a target if we S&T Jrue and get a trade exception.
Holiday to NYK for Lance Thomas
1st + Ajinca/QPon/Frazier for Rubio and sweetener
2nds + Sweetener to SAS for Danny Green
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:28 pm to TigerinATL
Danny Green is exactly the kind of player we need for this team, especially if you have a guy like Rubio running the point.
I can't think the Spurs would spend that much on Lowry.
I can't think the Spurs would spend that much on Lowry.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:43 pm to TigerinATL
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1st + Ajinca/QPon/Frazier for Rubio and sweetener
Better be a hell of a sweetener if we're giving up a 1st for an injury-prone 10 & 8 guy.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:59 pm to Broski
I don't like the idea of giving up a 1st for Rubio either, but you have neutral at best contracts to send out and get him. The math I'm going for here is 1st and 2nd gets your Rubio and Danny Green.
Rubio/Crawford/Cook
Green/Moore
Hill/Thomas
AD/Cunnigham
DC/Diallo
That's not a flashy group, but it's pretty well balanced. You have 6 6'4 - 6'8 guys that can switch up or down on defense, a play maker in Rubio, and 5 guys that have shot 39% or better from 3 at least once in their careers. You'd also have the MLE to use on whatever you needed, probably a backup big with that group.
Rubio/Crawford/Cook
Green/Moore
Hill/Thomas
AD/Cunnigham
DC/Diallo
That's not a flashy group, but it's pretty well balanced. You have 6 6'4 - 6'8 guys that can switch up or down on defense, a play maker in Rubio, and 5 guys that have shot 39% or better from 3 at least once in their careers. You'd also have the MLE to use on whatever you needed, probably a backup big with that group.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 5/8/17 at 6:13 pm to TigerinATL
I wouldn't go over the minimum for a backup big in the NBA today. Especially when you factor in who he would be behind and how little other teams use bigs in crunch time lineups. I think that team needs help at the three (unless Lance Thomas is far better than I remember) and ball handling. We need someone to help Moore out if Jordan Crawford pulls a Norris Cole and is awful next year.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 1:34 am to TeddyPadillac
If Pels will trade Asik for Carroll/Joseph - they won't be under the cap
AD 23,8, DMC 18, Solo 11,7 , Moore 8,4, Ajinca 5, QPon 3,9, Frazier 2, Diallo 1,3, Crawford 1,7
plus 22,4 millions od DeMarre and Joseph
plus other cap holds
not to mention Jrue cap hold
you need other movements. a lot of them
AD 23,8, DMC 18, Solo 11,7 , Moore 8,4, Ajinca 5, QPon 3,9, Frazier 2, Diallo 1,3, Crawford 1,7
plus 22,4 millions od DeMarre and Joseph
plus other cap holds
not to mention Jrue cap hold
you need other movements. a lot of them
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 1:35 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 7:21 am to pawel
The Pels couldn't trade something like Asik for Carroll and Joseph if they didnt' have cap space. it's a $21M incoming trade, $10M outgoing. They'd have to have space, thus they'd be operating under the cap, I think.
That's how the Solo for Batum trade would work with similar numbers.
Now they could do a Asik for Carroll and sill operate over the cap, but I was throwing Joseph in there too b/c he is likely going to be someone they have to let go to sign Lowry to his ridiculous contract, and they don't want salary back to get rid of him, which is why I said Asik for Carroll and Joseph, where they stretch Asik, and it saves them around $17M in salary.
That's how the Solo for Batum trade would work with similar numbers.
Now they could do a Asik for Carroll and sill operate over the cap, but I was throwing Joseph in there too b/c he is likely going to be someone they have to let go to sign Lowry to his ridiculous contract, and they don't want salary back to get rid of him, which is why I said Asik for Carroll and Joseph, where they stretch Asik, and it saves them around $17M in salary.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 7:29 am to TeddyPadillac
Uneven trades are possible with the cap space. At least a little of it. But it does not matter.
Recently there are many pods about Raptors offseason.
All of them are saying that Carroll is first to go. And that toronto needs to sweeten him with a first rounder.
Toronto will have a big tax issues. they won't take Asik salary (even to stretch it). they will rather sweeten the deals...
They have so many decisions and such big expected tax, that I am even more terrified with our Jrue's offer...
Recently there are many pods about Raptors offseason.
All of them are saying that Carroll is first to go. And that toronto needs to sweeten him with a first rounder.
Toronto will have a big tax issues. they won't take Asik salary (even to stretch it). they will rather sweeten the deals...
They have so many decisions and such big expected tax, that I am even more terrified with our Jrue's offer...
Posted on 5/9/17 at 7:53 am to TeddyPadillac
All you have to do is send QPon or maybe Ajinca to a 3rd team and the trade should work without needing cap space.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 7:54 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 8:00 am to pawel
I almost feel bad for the Raptors.
They are a good team, but not good enough to even make the finals much less win them, yet they really have no way of getting better, unless they have a draft pick that they get really lucky on.
They resign Lowry, and they have to deplete their bench and can't sign anyone but minimum guys. They don't resign him, they're a lower seeded playoff team at best that'll never make it out the first round.
They are a good team, but not good enough to even make the finals much less win them, yet they really have no way of getting better, unless they have a draft pick that they get really lucky on.
They resign Lowry, and they have to deplete their bench and can't sign anyone but minimum guys. They don't resign him, they're a lower seeded playoff team at best that'll never make it out the first round.
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