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Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:46 am to corndeaux
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a 6'2" 19 yo rookie pg isnt stopping the Mavs from making a run at Holiday.
I tend to agree, but that's not what the Mavs have been saying. Someone was quoting Donnie Nelson in one of the threads saying they don't need a PG in FA now, and Carlisle is projecting Dennis Smith as the starter.
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Carlisle projected Smith as a starter, with the obvious caveat that the job won't be handed to the 19-year-old who left the Wolfpack after his freshman season, barely a year removed from tearing a knee ligament as a high school senior.
If Smith does start, he'll be the rare case of a draft pick to do so in Dallas. Nowitzki did it for about half the season in 1998-99, after the Mavericks used the sixth pick to get Robert Traylor for Milwaukee and had the Bucks take the 7-foot German with the ninth choice. That's the last time Dallas entered the draft with a top 10 pick.
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:54 am to TigerinATL
I like Jrue but don't think his game goes well with Boogie/AD unless a solid facilitator PG was added to the roster.
I believe Jrue is much better suited as an off the ball guard then primary ball handler.
I believe Jrue is much better suited as an off the ball guard then primary ball handler.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 7:55 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:59 am to STEVED00
At this point I just want a S&T and to have him not go to Minnesota.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:20 am to TigerinATL
With almost all of the obvious suitors for Jrue being off the table because of recent trades/draft picks, as well as the cap being 2 million lower than we expected, how low do you think we can leverage his deal if we were to sign him afterall? 19 million per year?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:21 am to NOSHAU
If someone else wants to give him a max contract, then godspeed. As far as all these "sources," I'll wait for the Wojbomb
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:43 am to SCLSUMuddogs
if the reports that holiday and his wife are uncomfortable in Nola are true (city, ownership, etc) then a couple things you would think are also true
1) pelicans are fully aware he'd rather be elsewhere
2) holiday is fully aware that this FA year might not be ideal to get his coin
so, to me, something like 3/60 makes sense.
holiday gets a nice raise, and 60MM gtd, pels then have a chance to move him when a good offer comes their way
that contract also puts him on ADs timeline
1) pelicans are fully aware he'd rather be elsewhere
2) holiday is fully aware that this FA year might not be ideal to get his coin
so, to me, something like 3/60 makes sense.
holiday gets a nice raise, and 60MM gtd, pels then have a chance to move him when a good offer comes their way
that contract also puts him on ADs timeline
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:48 am to cgrand
Sign and trade of Holiday is the ideal move for us. I believe this is what Demps ultimately is looking to do.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:48 am to cgrand
3/$60 does seem like a good compromise. And while Minnesota has the cap space to overpay him, do they have the desire to overpay him? Not to mention in Minnesota it's possible he becomes 4th banana rather than 3rd banana like he is on the Pels.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:50 am to NOSHAU
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Not sure TWolves have room for him now. S&T somewhere would be nice.
They only have 18 mil next season after the Butler trade.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:58 am to cgrand
quote:The huge assumption there is that we have a GM that is smart enough to figure out he does not need to offer him what he originally offered him. It will be just like with Asik. We will bid against ourselves and drastically overpay.
if the reports that holiday and his wife are uncomfortable in Nola are true (city, ownership, etc) then a couple things you would think are also true
1) pelicans are fully aware he'd rather be elsewhere
2) holiday is fully aware that this FA year might not be ideal to get his coin
so, to me, something like 3/60 makes sense.
holiday gets a nice raise, and 60MM gtd, pels then have a chance to move him when a good offer comes their way
that contract also puts him on ADs timeline
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:59 am to Epic Cajun
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They only have 18 mil next season after the Butler trade.
Yeah but Jordan Hill is a team option and I don't think they are that attached to Shabazz, so that's $8 million right there they could free up pretty easily, plus they can dump Rubio still.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:02 am to Lsujacket66
I like Jrue but am ready to move on. $ can be better spent elsewhere.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:03 am to NOSHAU
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The huge assumption there is that we have a GM that is smart enough to figure out he does not need to offer him what he originally offered him. It will be just like with Asik.
If this were true Ryno would be on the roster making $23 million a year and Sacramento would have our 2019 pick, a pick that Demps pulled from the original offer after the situation changed and Cousins' agent started running his mouth. I'm not saying Demps is a great GM now, but I've noticed his moves being less questionable since Ferry has come on board. Hopefully that continues and if we do keep Jrue it will be for $20 or less per.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 9:04 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:09 am to TigerinATL
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Yeah but Jordan Hill is a team option and I don't think they are that attached to Shabazz, so that's $8 million right there they could free up pretty easily, plus they can dump Rubio still.
You're right, not sure what that site I was looking at was using for their real number. I'm coming up with ~21m in cap space for them this off season, realistically (without trading anyone away).
ETA: If they want to go after Jrue, they would obviously trade Rubio anyway, though.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:12 am to TigerinATL
I'd be pumped with 3/60 with a player option, if Jrue wanted to go that route.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:23 am to TigerinATL
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but that's not what the Mavs have been saying. Someone was quoting Donnie Nelson in one of the threads saying they don't need a PG in FA now
i would buy that logic more if Pels fans hadnt been talking about Holiday being a better fit as a SG/secondary creator for the past 6 months.
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Carlisle is projecting Dennis Smith as the starter.
read that too...we'll see. Carlisle is notoriously prickly w/ PGs. Smith will likely get a longer leash, but he's going to frick up a ton of things. and they aren't going to play him 30 mpg to do that
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:29 am to corndeaux
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i would buy that logic more if Pels fans hadnt been talking about Holiday being a better fit as a SG/secondary creator for the past 6 months.
At the very least you have to think they'd look at a Holiday for Matthews S&T if they wanted Holiday at SG. Matthews is a good enough stop gap next to whatever PG they pick up in FA or trade. Can they do better than Matthews with Holiday's cap hold is a question to answer first though.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:34 am to TigerinATL
that's the question- if they are in fact interested in Holiday, how do they get to his salary? and would the Pels be willing to help out a playoff rival? i think Holiday helps the Mavs a lot more than Matthews helps the Pels, but i could be way off
also, i think using PG/SG designations is a little misleading here. with Carlisle's offense, most of the perimeter guys on the floor should be comfortable running PnR and creating off the bounce. having spot up ability helps, but it's a different feel than what we tend to think of when we say "PG" or "SG"
also, i think using PG/SG designations is a little misleading here. with Carlisle's offense, most of the perimeter guys on the floor should be comfortable running PnR and creating off the bounce. having spot up ability helps, but it's a different feel than what we tend to think of when we say "PG" or "SG"
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:35 am to corndeaux
I thought trading for Matthews only made sense if we were dumping Asik?
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