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If Tyreke 3 point shooting holds up next season
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:11 pm
Would you still want him dealt barring the injury doesn't affect his game too much?
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:30 pm to 504ByrdGang
yes.... holds the ball too much and kills the flow of the offense to fit in Gentry's system.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:47 pm to 504ByrdGang
Will he still average 16 seconds on the shot clock every time getting across halfcourt?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:52 pm to 504ByrdGang
never been an efficient offensive player ever in his career. his ortg is bad, matches his bad team defense.
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:13 pm to 504ByrdGang
If they know it's for real and they don't have plans for his cap space, I would consider holding onto him just to trade him. I still don't think he fits what Gentry wants to do, but if he's a legit 36%+ 3 point shooter then maybe he can get you something useful.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:48 pm to Pendulum
Biggest misconception he hold the ball a little bit less than most starting pgs
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:03 pm to 504ByrdGang
He doesn't seem to fit Gentry's system. Definitely more of an ISO guy.
I think he'll be here next year, but that they will let him walk the year after.
I also think when we play him in the future he'll drop lines like 25-10-8-3 on us and that we will be pissed.
I think he'll be here next year, but that they will let him walk the year after.
I also think when we play him in the future he'll drop lines like 25-10-8-3 on us and that we will be pissed.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:41 pm to Solo
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I also think when we play him in the future he'll drop lines like 25-10-8-3 on us and that we will be pissed.
He's not a bad player, but I think my gifs of Frazier in the other thread illustrate exactly why he doesn't fit Gentry. Playing Montyball getting Tyreke in those same situations was good. Even if he didn't score you had more people crashing the offensive boards to clean up any misses. What Gentry and Erman are running doesn't hit the offensive glass as much, they dropped from 4th in OReb% to 26th. Injuries/lost season/yada yada it was a conscious decision to shift the priorty from offensive rebounding to transition defense. That makes what Tyreke does have less value to the team.
Yeah it sucks to consider dumping a good player when the talent level is already thin, but you can't succeed going halfway in these things. You either need to fire Gentry or commit to him, and committing to him makes Tyreke a square peg.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:44 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Would you still want him dealt barring the injury doesn't affect his game too much?
If everything else is held constant, yes, I would still trade him.
3 point shooting isnt the only thing that has made Evans problematic in this system.
If he can make the sort of transition few players have shown the ability to do at his age and go from a ball dominant, half court, iso player to a above average off the ball player that can effectively transition to part time on and off ball player and do it at a high level with respect to the system being played then sure.
But that is a huge gamble that I wouldn't want to risk if something for good value that is a clear fit or increases future flexibility was available.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:12 pm to TigerinATL
quote:no one is paying attention to you comparing a legit NBA play to a guy who can't stay in the league.
He's not a bad player, but I think my gifs of Frazier
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:23 pm to 504ByrdGang
I'm as big a Reke fan as you'll find. But he's not a good fit for an offense that requires players making smart plays and swinging the ball around. Tyreke needs the ball in transition and iso.
Let him find a home with Monty, if he ever makes his way back to coaching following the grieving period.
Let him find a home with Monty, if he ever makes his way back to coaching following the grieving period.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 4:31 pm to 504ByrdGang
If "no one" wasn't irrationally in love with Tyreke then maybe he'd realize that I wasn't comparing Frazier and Tyreke, I was comparing what Frazier did, make passes to teammates, to what Tyreke would have done in the same situation, take an opening and attack the basket. This offense is not set up for bully ball. A big part of the success that came with Tyreke running the offense last year was because of the way the team crashed the offensive boards. They don't do that under Gentry. I feel I've made some decent, reasonable arguements the past few weeks as to why Tyreke is a questionable fit at best for Gentry and all you have done is make childish responses like this one or point to how much Tyreke helped us win with Monty. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it not exist.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 12:04 am to Eman5805
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I'm as big a Reke fan as you'll find. But he's not a good fit for an offense that requires players making smart plays and swinging the ball around. Tyreke needs the ball in transition and iso.
Let him find a home with Monty, if he ever makes his way back to coaching following the grieving period.
The ironic thing about that is Monty didn't like Reke at first. Possibly ever.
Monty through circumstance and Tyreke's hardheadedness dropped the idea of using him as super sub.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:09 am to NOLA Bronco
Monty had to cater his offense to Tyreke. He's not coachable because he simply won't change his offensive mindset and that becomes an issue because gentry won't change his offensive scheme. It is efficient when you have a ball handler who can run it properly.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 8:17 am to 504ByrdGang
Gordon and tyreke should both be traded
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:36 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Biggest misconception he hold the ball a little bit less than most starting pgs
I'm talking about time behind the half court line, is there a stat for that? Tyreke takes an eternity to take the ball up court. So many times I'm watching games and I look down to see if they could have a called a violation bc it seems like forever.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 6:43 pm to Pendulum
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I'm talking about time behind the half court line, is there a stat for that? Tyreke takes an eternity to take the ball up court. So many times I'm watching games and I look down to see if they could have a called a violation bc it seems like forever.
Yeah its always been a major pet peeve of mine with him.
The idea of getting up and down the court with pace is in large part because you don't want the defense to get set. Tyreke walking the ball up gives the defense that time to shift their defenders to their optimal assignments and get set.
His transitional awareness is really bad IMO.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 7:56 pm to NOLA Bronco
Which is funny because he use to primarily run the ball up court b4 Month ball
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