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corndeaux
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Hornets Links (and one non Hornets) Roundup

From yesterday:

First, Ziller on the most cost effective producers in the NBA.

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Two Hornets make his top ten-

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3. Greivis Vasquez, Hornets, $1,619/unit, worth $10.2 million, being paid $1.2 million

4. Brian Roberts, Hornets, $1,821/unit, worth $3.6 million, being paid $473,000


Some evidence for the position that Dell has done nice work finding lightly regarded guys.

Next, Rob Mahoney with a quick blurb on AD's playing time:

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This one is a board favorite....

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1. Second-guessing Monty Williams

Williams has had a curious follow-up to his promising first two years as Hornets coach, replete with odd lineup choices and uninspired strategic options. Nevertheless, it’s good to see Williams coming around a bit on Anthony Davis’ playing time, even if it’s evident that he still holds an odd characterization of the rookie big man’s slight frame. Despite playing just 17 minutes against the Lakers and 16 minutes against the Wizards (two teams with strong centers and big front lines overall) in recent weeks, the No. 1 pick in last year’s draft is averaging 30 minutes in March after dropping to 25 in January and 26 in February.

Davis makes mistakes and isn’t a perfect matchup for all opponents, but opting for Robin Lopez instead of him seems to reward arbitrary advantage (physical strength) over actual production. In March, Davis has averaged 19.9 points (on 52.8 percent shooting), 12.8 rebounds and 2.2 blocks per 36 minutes; Lopez’s numbers are far more meager. The Hornets’ defense is actually slightly better this season with Davis on the court. There’s no question that Davis is an incomplete player without the savvy of more experienced players, but for how long can Williams artificially cap his best young player’s minutes for the sake of playing a merely passable big man?


And finally, Zach Lowe with a tremendous piece on the SportsVU camera tracking system that half the NBA uses now.

Nothing Hornets related, but really good stuff on help defense, how everyone should shoot more 3s, and playing young guys even if they screw things up. Very good read if you're interested in what advanced stats have to say about NBA strategies.

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Nothing Hornets related, but really good stuff on help defense


This is really a great article. I'd hate to see what Vasquez/Lopez P&R defense looks like on that. It should be a great teaching tool though. At only $100k per year I'd have to imagine every team in the league will have the system eventually.


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4. Brian Roberts, Hornets, $1,821/unit, worth $3.6 million, being paid $473,000


want to like. but hate


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In March, Davis has averaged 19.9 points (on 52.8 percent shooting), 12.8 rebounds and 2.2 blocks per 36 minutes;


awesome

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There’s no question that Davis is an incomplete player without the savvy of more experienced players, but for how long can Williams artificially cap his best young player’s minutes for the sake of playing a merely passable big man?


yep...especially in a 20 win season.

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his best young player


his best player.


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eyeran
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And finally, Zach Lowe with a tremendous piece on the SportsVU camera tracking system that half the NBA uses now.

Nothing Hornets related, but really good stuff on help defense, how everyone should shoot more 3s, and playing young guys even if they screw things up. Very good read if you're interested in what advanced stats have to say about NBA strategies.

I like the basic advanced stats, but at a certain point it just becomes nauseating. Don't want to get into an advanced stat argument, but i'm still waiting for one of these teams to actually win something.

I know the Red Sox supposedly used some of it when they won, but a $200 million payroll sort of helps. Superstars win championships and they didn't need MIT students to tell them to sign Manny Ramirez.

I don't think Riley consulted anybody at the Sloan Conference before signing the big 3.

In the end, you don't need a PHD from Harvard to build an NBA Champion. You need to be lucky enough to work in a city with good weather, and the ability to draft or attract a couple superstars.

The exact same as the NBA has always been...

Just judging by that article, you'd think the Raptors were a cutting edge, progressive organization, leading the rest of the league toward this new advanced math and technology. Except in the real world we know thats no even close to being true. They've been a terrible organization.

Plus, they obviously don't even believe what they're preaching because they just traded for Rudy Gay. Is there a guy advanced stats people hate more than Rudy Gay? Maybe Carmelo...


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I see it as an extension of film study. You can have the computer help do the grunt work of compiling video and have the people you pay spend more time analyzing video.


Fleur de Diable
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but i'm still waiting for one of these teams to actually win something.


Spurs are one of the teams with the camera's. OKC as well. I'm not disregarding your assertion that at a certain point, it comes down simply these 5 are better than that 5. But, I can't blame a team like a Toronto, who knows they'll never compete with a Miami, for exhausting all avenues to close the gap.

Also, in the article he speaks about the apprehension of the actual coaching staff, when it comes to treating the analytics as gospel. It seems almost like there's going to be a civil war in the NBA between the new school and the old school over these issues, kind of like the Mike Trout vs Miguel Cabrera for MVP last year in baseball.


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I see it as an extension of film study. You can have the computer help do the grunt work of compiling video and have the people you pay spend more time analyzing video.


Exactly, do you want to watch 20 hours of film to find out where a guy likes to get his or would you like his percentage by location/drive to spot up ratio handed to you?


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eyeran
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Spurs are one of the teams with the camera's. OKC as well. I'm not disregarding your assertion that at a certain point, it comes down simply these 5 are better than that 5. But, I can't blame a team like a Toronto, who knows they'll never compete with a Miami, for exhausting all avenues to close the gap.
I agree. And i don't think teams should disregard it. Teams with the resources to have it should at least have it on hand. But in the end, we know the team with the best 5 still wins 9 times out of 10.


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I agree. And i don't think teams should disregard it. Teams with the resources to have it should at least have it on hand. But in the end, we know the team with the best 5 still wins 9 times out of 10.


Could you imagine someone suggesting this purchase to Shinn? He'd probably cut an assistant coach.


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Fleur de Diable
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But in the end, we know the team with the best 5 still wins 9 times out of 10.


So you're saying there's a chance.

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Shinn


Would probably cut out the guys tongue so that he would never suggest it to anyone else.


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corndeaux
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Just judging by that article, you'd think the Raptors were a cutting edge, progressive organization, leading the rest of the league toward this new advanced math and technology. Except in the real world we know thats no even close to being true. They've been a terrible organization. Plus, they obviously don't even believe what they're preaching because they just traded for Rudy Gay. Is there a guy advanced stats people hate more than Rudy Gay? Maybe Carmelo...




That struck me too. Colangelo seems like a bright guy, but he does some dumb things.

The LeBron "ghost" part was insane.


Fleur de Diable
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The LeBron "ghost" part was insane.


Its just unfair.


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