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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
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Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!

we are all Hornets ..... I mean Pelican fans who love and want this team to succeed. However some of us seem stuck on attendance issues, while others turn the other cheek claiming that attendance doesn't matter now that Benson owns the team. at the end of the day we all want the same outcome - for the team to be successful both on the court and with fan support. however for those arguing that attendance doesn't matter, I beg to differ. the Gulf South is not a good basketball market no matter which way you try and spin it and there are only so many billionaire owners who are willing to lose money nearly every year.

the "win more games and fan support will come" argument is somewhat true, but in New Orleans case it is not. this team has had FIVE different seasons in which the Hornets have made the playoffs during their tenure here in NOLA and it was only in ONE of those seasons did the organization turn a small profit. The Hornets organizing has lost money in 7 out of their 9 seasons in NOLA and 4 out of those 9 were playoff seasons.




Hornets History in NOLA


2002-03
Attendance: 15,650 (not bad, but not good. first year in new city)
Record: 47-35 *PLAYOFF TEAM*
Operating Income: (NEGATIVE) $8.3M
LINK


2003-04
Attendance: 14,332
Record: 41-41 *PLAYOFF TEAM*
Operating Income: unavailable by Forbes, but certainly negative again considering drop in attendance

2004-05
Attendance: 14,221
Record: 18-64
Operating Income: (NEGATIVE) $3.9M
LINK




Relocated to OKC, another small market


2005-06

Attendance: 18,168
Record: 38-44
Operating Income: $12.9M
LINK



2006-07

Attendance: 17,833
Record: 39-43
Operating Income: $10.2M
LINK


so despite having back to back losing seasons and overall poor teams they were still profitable and still drew impressive crowds. quite honestly we all should be thankful that Stern forced Shinn to come back because he certainly tried not to.





Returns to NOLA


2007-08
Attendance: 14,181
Record: 56-26 *PLAYOFF TEAM*
Operating Income: $3.2M (first profitable year in NOLA thanks to second round playoff run)
LINK



2008-09
Attendance: 16,968
Record: 49-33 *PLAYOFF TEAM*
Operating Income: (NEGATIVE) $100K (basically broke even)
LINK
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2009-10

Attendance: 15,130
Record: 37-45
Operating Income: (NEGATIVE) $5.9M
LINK


2010-11
Attendance: 14,709
Record: 46-36 *PLAYOFF TEAM*
Operating Income: unavailable by Forbes, but again likely in the negative considering the poor attendance.


2011-12

Attendance: 15,109
Record: 21-45
Operating Income: $3.3M (second profitable year in NOLA)
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2012-13
Attendance: 13,803
Record: 27-54
Operating Income: unavailable yet, but you can imagine




the bottom line is Louisiana sports fans need to step up and support this organization. they are not going to win 50 games every year and that cannot be expected. however the team makes the game experience top notch and they offer some of the most affordable tickets and ticket plans in the entire NBA (usually the cheapest tickets or in the top 3 cheapest every year). no there is nothing exciting about watching a bad team play basketball, however the elephant in the room is that even when we have had playoff caliber teams on the floor, the fan support has been decent at best.

you can walk into any random sports bar in NOLA, BR, etc. and chances are you won't see anything of the Hornets. however you'll see countless Saints, LSU, and you'll even see more Tulane and Southern stuff than you will of the Hornets. how can we help fix this and get this city and entire state of Louisiana behind the team? this issue is far more important than anything happening on the basketball court.


fightingtigers98
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re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
i think part of the reason for no income was our dip shite owner.


JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
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Member since Jul 2010
11117 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
Hmm, interesting.


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Gtothemoney
UNO Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
10405 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
Somehow, I still think some people will still say you have no idea what you are talking about.


JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
11117 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
Well he finally brought out the facts so it shall be good. and I see you guys take up for each other, nice. We all gotta have friends these days.
This post was edited on 4/14 at 10:10 pm


Macintosh504
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Pleiades
Member since Sep 2011
26808 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
New Orleans isnt a basketball city.


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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
quote:

i think part of the reason for no income was our dip shite owner.


George Shinn was not a good owner by any means, but he can't be blamed for the lack of success.


NorthshoreTiger76
New Orleans Saints Fan
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re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
frick me for starting that thread


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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
quote:

Well he finally brought out the facts so it shall be good. and I see you guys take up for each other, nice. We all gotta have friends these days.


see JayJay this is the type of thing I'm talking about.

why continue to argue? I've never even seen the above poster post before (no offense above poster). we're all fans here. lets discuss the elephant in the room about fan support.


JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
11117 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
I wasn't arguing I was stating an opinion, possibly a fact. You guys carry on, I'm just a reader now.


Gtothemoney
UNO Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
10405 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
You had to edit.


HeadyBrosevelt
Hawaii Fan
the Verde River
Member since Jan 2013
20435 posts
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re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
I get made fun of for being such a big Hornets fan. My friends think the team is a joke. It sucks.


fightingtigers98
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Oct 2011
10296 posts
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re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
quote:

I get made fun of for being such a big Hornets fan. My friends think the team is a joke. It sucks.

you are accepted here Souljah


JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
11117 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
Cool beans man.


GumBro Jackson
Auburn Fan
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2011
2173 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
Great post with actual facts and figures.

NOLA does need to do a better job supporting the team. I'll be moving to town this summer and will do my part starting next season. Winning definitely helps, but it was interesting to see that winning didn't always result in a huge bump in attendance.

Hopefully the re-brand will help the franchise with a fresh start. And I wonder if Benson can do some cross-promotion between the Saints and Pels?


Macintosh504
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Pleiades
Member since Sep 2011
26808 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
i thought you said you were done typing in this thread mon


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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
quote:

I wasn't arguing I was stating an opinion, possibly a fact. You guys carry on, I'm just a reader now.


how so? I'll ignore the fact that you edited your post though

real talk though JayJay - what do you think can be done to get Louisiana sports fans to support this team? it drives me crazy when I have friends who will literally shell out hundreds of dollars to attend a Saints or LSU football game, but I can't even GIVE them a free ticket to a Hornets game.


JayJay2
West Virginia Fan
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
11117 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
Yes you are, bring it in man. We always love posers and when you come, hilarity does ensue.


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NorthshoreTiger76
New Orleans Saints Fan
LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
45419 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!
This is the first year the whole region can actually watch the games so hopefully that helps going forward
This post was edited on 4/14 at 10:20 pm


Gtothemoney
UNO Fan
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
10405 posts

re: Here is the truth why attendance matters - enough is enough with the arguing!


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