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Give it 20-25 games before throwing in the towel

Posted on 11/2/16 at 5:41 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61411 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 5:41 am
This team would be 2-2 or maybe even 3-1 with Jrue Holiday playing. Remember the effect QPon and Cole playing his best NBA ball had on the Pels when they first joined the team. Replacing bad players even with just below average players is big. Replacing Galloway with Frazier and Frazier with Holiday is going to have a huge impact.

If Holiday does come back mid November then hopefully that's early enough to get the team back in the neighborhood of .500 after 25 games. If he takes much longer than mid November though...
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115279 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 6:08 am to
All that's true.

Don't care. Fire his arse.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61411 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 6:10 am to
I didn't say not to fire anybody. I just said the season isn't over after 4 games even if it feels like it.
Posted by BSB1988
Member since Jun 2016
383 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 7:35 am to
Your right I'm just scared the season will be over before Jrue gets back.
Posted by Split2874
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2012
2433 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 7:39 am to
Agreed. My expectations were low this season. But I like the style of play they hustle a lot more on defense and move the ball on offense

AD has been awesome.

Frazier has been a surprise hopefully he can stay at this level. I really like him as backup 6th man type player

I think Moore is solid as well.

Hill has been good on defense and if he can contribute on offense like last night he will be a very good addition

Lance is a good role player and I can see him with the 2nd unit with Frazier

Asik is playing better than last year. He is what he is but he is not worth his salary

Galloway is not that good or at least right now. I am not that familiar with him

But we really need Jrue and Tyreke back. Then the rotations will be better

Ajinca has been horrible

I wish they would just play Jones instead of Ajinca
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16206 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 8:54 am to
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Your right I'm just scared the season will be over before Jrue gets back


There's no time table to when Jrue will return. So, given there's no time table the season is likely over. People are just hoping that he'll be back soon. The way this is looking if Jrue isn't back by the end of November the season is done and the tank needs to start rolling. This make me so sad for AD.
Posted by RogerRabbit69
Member since Feb 2016
156 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:01 am to
20-25 games to go 9-16 sure is a lot to overcome in the West.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8226 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:17 am to
Why is anyone surprised we are playing poorly? We have a PG, who looks like a great back-up, running the show. We don't have a 5, unless AD is playing the 5, and Buddy is playing like a rookie. None of this is shocking.


There are some things to love here. First and foremost, AD looks like he is back to being a top 3-5 player in the NBA. Frazier looks like a legit back-up 1. Moore looks like a great value signing. Everyone is at least hustling. Lance looks like a solid pick-up. Once Jrue returns we will have a solid bench. Holes at the 3/5, but we knew that already.

Need AD/Jrue healthy. Need Buddy to look like a scorer. Need to flip Reke for a second round pick or two.

Slowly rebuild without trading picks or blowing cap flexibility.

I have no issue with canning Demps.
Posted by novowels
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
2400 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:39 am to
So they started Cunningham last night and we wound up getting destroyed in the paint. Asik comes in, plays 13 min and has 5 pts, 7 rebs with a +6 rating. Yet Cunningham winds up with 38 minutes. How does this coaching staff not recognize this during the game and play Asik more than 13 min?

With such a weak roster the last thing we need is a coaching staff who cannot adjust to gameplay.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:51 am to
I was hoping Buddy would be Chris Mullins. the mighty gunner. Not expecting the passing.

Jrue wife heath could not be predicted.

I am glad AD is back to stellar form.

I am at the point where hoping pels luck out and get the #1 ping ping lottery ball. Aint going to sniff playoffs. West is really deep again.

Hope Evans heals well enough to make a cameo appearance in spring and be dealt with the quickness while he is healthy.

Before jrue, I thought pels would be in dogfight for 7/8.
Not now.


This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 10:56 am
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34219 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:56 am to
quote:

So they started Cunningham last night and we wound up getting destroyed in the paint. Asik comes in, plays 13 min and has 5 pts, 7 rebs with a +6 rating. Yet Cunningham winds up with 38 minutes. How does this coaching staff not recognize this during the game and play Asik more than 13 min?

With such a weak roster the last thing we need is a coaching staff who cannot adjust to gameplay.



It was the same story against the Nuggets. Asik is the only player on our roster capable of slowing down the leaky sieve to the rim. Sure, he has a couple ugly offensive plays each night, but the guys replacing him have far more egregious defensive lapses far more often than that.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61411 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:04 pm to
Jake Madison had an interesting take on this in his Locked On Pelicans podcast this morning. LINK Asik's 13 minutes coincided mostly with Monroe's 17 minutes. The rest of the time he was unplayable because there wasn't anybody else on the court he could keep up with and Asik wouldn't be able to stop Giannis blowing by his man from the perimeter.

I see his point a little, but I mostly disagree. I'm not saying Asik should have played 30 minutes, but Asik in the paint could have been a deterrent to some of those Bucks attacks on the basket. No he's not an athletic shot blocker, but he moves well enough and is aware enough that about half the time he can clog the paint like a fat nose tackle making you run outside. The other half of the time he knows he was beat and is smart enough to not get a cheap foul. I think it's more likely that he stops a few of those drives and is a positive on defense than he becomes a defensively liability because the Bucks shift their offense to attack him as the weakest defender on the court when they have guys like Frazier and Hield to attack.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34219 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:22 pm to
I mean, that kind of explains Gentry's thinking, but it doesn't do anything to support the decision. One of Asik's best assets is his help defense while not getting abused by his man.

Monroe wasn't the only person he could guard. Plumlee played. Henson played.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:40 pm to
So v the bucks and their woeful shooting, I think you could get by with Asik for longer. Just tell everyone to go under every screen and have Asik sit back. Let them (except Teletovic) shoot all they want. now w/ that said, I don't know how realistic it is for game 4 of the season to perhaps change your defensive strategy.

Playing Asik v any team that can run decent PnR is a disaster. And Nurkic ate him up on the block v Denver. His defense, more so than even his offense, is his issue.

And honestly, they lost the game with horrendous back up guard play. The defense suckwd, sure. The guard play was just much worse
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61411 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

And honestly, they lost the game with horrendous back up guard play. The defense suckwd, sure. The guard play was just much worse


That's part of the thinking behind this thread. Langston Galloway has a negative PER, not a low PER, a negative PER, -0.2. For comparison, Austin Rivers had a 5.9 PER in his historically bad rookie season. Ajinca is only playing slightly better than Galloway with a 0.6 PER. This team is at least 2-2 if you can replace this version of Galloway and Ajinca with their career average version. So Jrue replacing Frazier who will replace Galloway should be a pretty big deal for the team.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:01 pm to
Yeah.

Don't get me wrong, it's insane that they are playing DC so much and at the 5 in stretches. That is a huge problem.

But Buddy, Lance, and Galloway absolutely killed any momentum last night. They were just awful. It happens with a rookie, a guy w/ one foot out the door,and a 4/5th guard running things for long stretches. Definitely need Holiday to come back to see how these pieces actually fit
Posted by whoknows1390
nola
Member since Jul 2014
1672 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:35 pm to
Ajinca has been making my eyes bleed this season. Talk about totally falling off a cliff. Galloway has been terrible but I have to beleive he will return to form. I watched a good bit of him last year he is not this bad of a player.

Also, I know this is obvious but, second chance points are KILLING this team. It seems as though the defense really isn't that bad but half of the stops they get, the other team is getting 2-3 tries at after. Very frustrating to watch.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34219 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:57 pm to
I don't know if I just ignored it before, but Ajinca looks like the most unathletic player in the NBA this year. He looks like a cartoon character out there.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115279 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:00 pm to
He's absolutely horrendously awful. Another Dell Derps signing.

The only thing I can say is that his contract will be the equivalent of like 2 million in old cap dollars going forward, so its not THAT big a deal. He just really, really sucks.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34219 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:08 pm to
Maybe his not playing for France this summer was less conflict and more regression.
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