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re: Gentry wants to develop AD as Pels' Closer
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:07 am to patendedgmf
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:07 am to patendedgmf
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Correct. He's not the Garnett type alpha individual.
But Tim Duncan is, and Dirk is, and Kawhii is?
Is Gordon Hayward some alpha individual? He's never shied away from taking a last shot.
You don't have to be some loud mouth talkative individual to want to take the last shot. I played at the rec hundreds of times at LSU. I've hit probably a hundred shots that won my team the game. I'm so talkative that not a single person that i played with knows my name, yet i've played with some of the regular guys for well over a hundred games together.
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I'm guessing you are older than 30... and don't have kids?
I am, and I do. not sure what that has to do with anything though.
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AD23's generation has less of this "ALPHA" in them than ever.
They aren't grizzled angry kids. They aren't rewarded for being aggressive, they are chastised. It's still in many people naturally, but he's not one of them. So what?
Just an all around dumb statement.
The whole point i'm making is, you can't teach someone to be the closer. You either are or you aren't.
I wasn't good at being the leader by voice in my high school days, but I was the leader of my team without a doubt. AD isn't a talkative leader either it seems. Also doesnt' seem like Kawii is either, but he's the leader of that team without a doubt. Tim Duncan wasn't the KG alpha, and neither was David Robinson, but they were the leaders of their teams and eventually passed their leadership on to the next guy, each one seeming even less talkative.
You don't need to be some grizzled angry guy to want to win the game. You just have to want to win the game more than everyone else. I don't like losing. I don't like letting other people decide if my team wins or loses, so i always want to take the last shot, b/c i feel our best shot at winning is me taking the last shot, regardless of how difficult that shot may be. I'd rather take a 3 from 7 feet behind the line than let a teammate of mine take a wide open 3 from the corner. I'm not going to be some talkative alpha about it, but that's how i'm thinking. I never got mad at people for taking the last shot over me. What i did notice is the more i played with the same people, the more they realized i wanted to take the shot, despite me never saying anything about it, and that i could make it, so they started looking for me in those moments more often than not, and i gave the extra effort to get myself open to get the ball, while everyone else was usually not moving and waiting for someone else to do something.
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
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I'm disappointed that he hasn't developed his baby hook more.
This. Totally agreed. He isn't spending the time working on developing his back to the basket moveset, partly because the game is moving away from it, and partly because the Gentry ball doesn't call for it.
Building around a PF is HARD. Gentry is pushing him to develop his outside game more, to keep the pace up. It will come, it's just not natural for him. You can tell when you see him pull up on those 3s. Horrific to watch. When he takes those shots when we are down, right now it is like an automatic turnover.
Whoever we add in the draft, I'm praying it's in the top 2... but if not, I hope Rabb or Skal or Poeltl's feet aren't as stuck in sand as Asik's are... That will help us BIG time... Poeltl will play that Bogut role JUST fine.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:17 am to TigerinATL
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hat's because since he can't create his own shot well then all you have to do is take the pass away and force someone else to beat you.
Yes he can. He's quick enough to get around most guys. He's tall enough and shoots high enough to get his jump shot off. There's no one that could stop him from taking a dribble and pulling up for a jump shot, maybe Tyrus Thomas back in the day could have blocked it, but i don't think anyone could stop him from taking a pull up jumper off the dribble.
If he couldn't create his own shot, then he wouldn't get doubled when he gets the ball.
from last year:
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For the past few games, Anthony Davis has seen a change in the way teams defend him.
Davis admits he’s seeing more double teams, especially in the post area, than he did a month ago.
There is nothing bad that can happen from him having the ball elbow extended at the end of the game.
Either he drives and draws a foul or kicks out for an open 3, takes a fairly uncontested jump shot, or gets doubled and finds the open man for a wide open 3. Problem there is finding the open man is what every team wants him to do b/c they know that open man probably won't beat them.
Even if he turns it over, at least it was our best player that did it, and not EG or Dante.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:30 am to oncealurker
Just seeing this thread. AG and Monty are both jackasses. Of course AD should be the damn closer, what games were these two frickos watching? AD has NEVER gotten the amount of late touches that he needed. Shoots about 50% from the floor and over 80% from the FT line. This shite is beyond frustrating.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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Yes he can. He's quick enough to get around most guys. He's tall enough and shoots high enough to get his jump shot off.
Having the physical ability to do something is not the same as having a goto move in crunch time.
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kicks out for an open 3
Alonzo Gee, 28% from 3 this season. Cunningham is our "good" 3 and D SF hitting at 34.5%.
Is AD too passive? Probably. But I can't say good things will happen when he forces the action. If you had to give me the choice between AD "creating" and a Tyreke Kamikaze with an AD follow, I think the Tyreke Kamikaze has the best chance of producing points right now.
AD is just not an off the dribble player. He's got an eFG% of 38% on Pullups vs 49.8% on Catch and Shoot. With the exception of the 0.2% of the time he takes 7 dribbles or more, likely a few coast to coast transition buckets, he sees a steady decline in his efficiency the more dribbles he takes.
0 Dribbles eFG% 58.2%
1 Dribble 43.9%
2 Dribbles 39.8%
3-6 Dribbles 33.9%
7+ Dribbles 50%
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By comparison, 2013-14 Dirk, which is as far back and close to Prime Dirk as we can get:
0 Dribbles eFG% 57.1%
1 Dribble 48.7%
2 Dribbles 51.4%
3-6 Dribbles 57.1%
7+ Dribbles 50%
LINK
Nothing has changed from last year. People think AD's efficiency, which is built on striking when the defense has lost track of him, will translate to situations where he "demands the ball" and becomes the center of attention. He's just not there yet and you expecting him to be won't make it magically happen.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:36 am to TigerinATL
This is from last year.
For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points
Most points, FG%, FGA per 48 minutes of clutch time:
Curry 52.2 44.1% 34.2
James 51.5 43.7% 34.8
Westbrook 51.2 38.3% 49.9
Harden 47 48.1% 26.2
Bryant 46.6 34.1% 45.5
Ellis 45.1 44.1% 34.1
Melo 44 42.6% 33
AD 43.8 61.7% 24.6
Again, i will gladly take AD's eFG% off 1 or 2 dribbles at the end of the game, than have EG do anything other than shooting a wide open 3.
The last 2 minutes of the game should be the same play every time. AD picks for Jrue, Jrue decides if he's got a clear shot or lane, or he kicks to AD and lets him make a play 1 on 1. That's it. That play should be run at least 20 times a game, so they should be good at it.
For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points
Most points, FG%, FGA per 48 minutes of clutch time:
Curry 52.2 44.1% 34.2
James 51.5 43.7% 34.8
Westbrook 51.2 38.3% 49.9
Harden 47 48.1% 26.2
Bryant 46.6 34.1% 45.5
Ellis 45.1 44.1% 34.1
Melo 44 42.6% 33
AD 43.8 61.7% 24.6
Again, i will gladly take AD's eFG% off 1 or 2 dribbles at the end of the game, than have EG do anything other than shooting a wide open 3.
The last 2 minutes of the game should be the same play every time. AD picks for Jrue, Jrue decides if he's got a clear shot or lane, or he kicks to AD and lets him make a play 1 on 1. That's it. That play should be run at least 20 times a game, so they should be good at it.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:42 am to TeddyPadillac
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The last 2 minutes of the game should be the same play every time. AD picks for Jrue, Jrue decides if he's got a clear shot or lane, or he kicks to AD and lets him make a play 1 on 1. That's it.
I agree with this. An AD P&R should be the goto play, especially the one where Ryno is in the corner making his man decide whether to help on AD or stick with Ryno. But it sounded like you were calling for getting the ball to AD at the Elbow and hope he can make something happen.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:11 pm to oncealurker
Reminds me of something that I thought was an early Gentry red flag. Evans comes back from his knee surgery a month or two after the start of the season and plays poorly as the starting point guard in Gentry's system. After maybe 4 or 5 games Gentry says he went back and watched some film of Evans from last season and is going to put in place some plays that Evans is comfortable with. Sounded to me as if he hadn't watched film of Evans before. Christ, what did Gentry do from the time he was selected as head coach at the end of May until the start of training camp if not watch film of his starting point guard Evans and develop a thorough understanding of Evans' game before the season even started?
Maybe I'm being too harsh, but for me it was an early red flag.
Maybe I'm being too harsh, but for me it was an early red flag.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:11 pm to oncealurker
Reminds me of something that I thought was an early Gentry red flag. Evans comes back from his knee surgery a month or two after the start of the season and plays poorly as the starting point guard in Gentry's system. After maybe 4 or 5 games Gentry says he went back and watched some film of Evans from last season and is going to put in place some plays that Evans is comfortable with. Sounded to me as if he hadn't watched film of Evans before. Christ, what did Gentry do from the time he was selected as head coach at the end of May until the start of training camp if not watch film of his starting point guard Evans and develop a thorough understanding of Evans' game before the season even started?
Maybe I'm being too harsh, but for me it was an early red flag.
Maybe I'm being too harsh, but for me it was an early red flag.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:15 pm to chargrilledoysters
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Sounded to me as if he hadn't watched film of Evans before.
Gentry didn't care how players played Montyball. He wanted to make them play Gentryball, only it hasn't come easy so he's had to make accommodations to pretty much everyone. Ish and Ryno are the only players that looked immediately comfortable playing for Gentry.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 3:22 pm to chargrilledoysters
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Sounded to me as if he hadn't watched film of Evans before.
I thought the same thing.
I understand he wants to play a certain way, but if the team isn't built to play the way you want them to play, then you need to adjust. That's what a good coach does. How can you expect players to change how they play, if you aren't willing to change how you coach? There needs to be a healthy medium.
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