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re: Free agent acquisitions that make sense and realistic
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:18 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:18 pm to Fun Bunch
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I don't think anyone is prepared for this offseason
Typically the high end of the market gets all the money until it dries out and then the people left standing when the music stops are screwed. This summer the music might not stop.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I think whoever this Dun'd is doesn't know what he's talking about.
Nate Duncan knows his shite.
Crabbe got (I think) 4 years 48 mil, 4th year player option. and Bazemore got 4 years 64 mil (I believe). The crazy thing is that at the end of the podcast many teams still had a shite load of cap space, which makes me think that the deals will actually be crazier than proposed on the pod.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:47 pm to Epic Cajun
Is there any news on Gee?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:50 pm to BallHawk
Nothing yet, if he does opt out though it lends some credence to the figures Duncan had about seemingly minimum guys getting paid.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:54 pm to TigerinATL
I think we should do what Portland did with Aminu. Go day 1 and offer a guy like Harkless or Hill a nice size contract and have them make a us wait move on and tell them it no garuntee the deal will still be there. Blazers have to wait on Whiteside, Crabbe, and Leonard to get their deals so the don't have time to make us wait.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:02 pm to 504ByrdGang
The thing is, someone like Harkless is still going to get 15+ mil per year...
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:06 pm to Epic Cajun
He won't get that I think 12 Max. His regular season wasn't great he had only a couple of good games and had a couple of solid games in the playoffs. Aminu did the same thing anded landed and 7mil a year deal. I think I would offer him 10-11. Like said before Blazers are in a difficult position. They can't tap out all of there cap for the next 3 years for a mediocre team
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:08 pm to Epic Cajun
I kind of hope Gee opts in - I like him as a defender.
I love the idea of trading Evans to the Bulls for Gibson and signing both Bazemore and Dudley - for some end of bench depth still give Ennis the QO with Frazier and Drew
Holiday/Frazier/Drew
QPon/Buddy/Gee
Bazemore/Dudley/Ennis
AD/Gibson/DC/Diallo
Asik/Ajinca
I love the idea of trading Evans to the Bulls for Gibson and signing both Bazemore and Dudley - for some end of bench depth still give Ennis the QO with Frazier and Drew
Holiday/Frazier/Drew
QPon/Buddy/Gee
Bazemore/Dudley/Ennis
AD/Gibson/DC/Diallo
Asik/Ajinca
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:14 pm to 504ByrdGang
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He won't get the I think 12 Max.
I don't think so. There is too much cap space around the league.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:22 pm to Epic Cajun
What teams do you think will offer him that?
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:26 pm to corndeaux
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Again, you're losing your mind because a national writer said that he was worried that an 11 year vet (who's shot better than 35.8% all of twice in his career) hitting 40% from 3 was a fluke.
for starters, i'm not losing my mind about anything. Just pointing out that Marvin Williams was shooting decent enough over the last 4 years. It's not that crazy for him to have a good year when you have someone coaching that tries to put him in the best possible situations to succeed. It's not just a fluke b/c he shot better sometimes.
Secondly, before this year, he shot at least 35.8% 3 of the last 4 years, which sounds a lot better, and more accurate than what you said.
I'd say Norris Cole was a fluke two years ago.
QPon not so much. He took almost half his threes from the corners, and hit those corner threes at 45%. He shot 31% from the wing and top of the key. So keep the man in the corner. he shot well that year b/c they put him in a position to get the most out of his skill set.
Do i expect QPon to shoot 40%+ from 3 this year. No. More b/c of injuries. But if he's still the good corner 3 shooter like he was two years ago, then yeah, i expect him to shoot well if he's taking the majority of his threes from the corner.
Marvin Williams is the same way as QPon. Two years ago he was 36% overall and shot 48% from the corners. 38% from the left wing.
Less than 30% from the top of the key and the right wing combined, where more than half his shots came from.
This past year, he again shoots 45% from the corners, taking a good bit more from there, shoots 48% from the left wing, where he took a lot more shots from than the previous year. Shot 33% from the top of the key and the right wing, where a little less than half his shots came from and shot 41% overall from 3.
So he took a higher percentage of shots from the corners and left wing than the previous year, where he shot the best from, improved from the left wing dramatically, where he was already shooting well, and upped his overall %. Sounds like good coaching and a player that made better shooting decisions, not really a fluke.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:33 pm to corndeaux
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Dude, Nate Duncan is the wonkiest NBA writer around.
Maybe he is. Maybe what i read about Frazier having a $1.18M hit for this upcoming year if we keep him was wrong.
IT would be dumb to give him 3/15. Mike James dumb.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 3:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
Pretty sure Frazier and Ennis both having qualifying offers - they have to accept them of course but definitely does not equal those numbers.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 4:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Maybe what i read about Frazier having a $1.18M hit for this upcoming year if we keep him was wrong.
It's a Qualifying Offer that we have to make to be able to retain RFA matching rights. The actual contract they sign can be bigger, but they have to get an offer first. Teams don't normally go out of their way to overpay for backups, see Norris Cole last year, but this year is going to be crazy so you never know.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 4:33 pm to TigerinATL
Without digging too much into expected contract details- I would be satisfied with re-signing Fraizer and Ennis, and signing Crabbe and Sullinger.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 4:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
Good grief, Teddy. I don't even know what you're trying to argue. That Marvin Williams is an elite 3PT shooter? You can die on that hill, bud. No one said the guy couldn't shoot (all praise to Williams for adding that dimension to his game); more that there is skepticism about him being an elite 3PT shooter (he was one of 14 players to take > 250 3PA and hit them at > 40%).
Since you brought stats up, question for you-
in 15/16 WIlliams, saw his 3P% from the left wing and top of the key jump by 8% points each. In 15/16, hIs Wide Open 3P% also jumped by 3% points on the same 2 3PA/G?
That's not even a little flukey to you? Naturally occurring because coaching and a player making the better decision to make more shots?
Context matters. System matters. Teammates matter. Luck and randomness also matter.
I sincerely hope Williams continues to hit 3s like a sniper, especially if the Pels sign him. I have doubts this level is sustainable, but he can hit 35% and still be quite valuable.
Since you brought stats up, question for you-
in 15/16 WIlliams, saw his 3P% from the left wing and top of the key jump by 8% points each. In 15/16, hIs Wide Open 3P% also jumped by 3% points on the same 2 3PA/G?
That's not even a little flukey to you? Naturally occurring because coaching and a player making the better decision to make more shots?
Context matters. System matters. Teammates matter. Luck and randomness also matter.
I sincerely hope Williams continues to hit 3s like a sniper, especially if the Pels sign him. I have doubts this level is sustainable, but he can hit 35% and still be quite valuable.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 4:51 pm to irvchilichill1
I like Garrett Temple and Cole Aldrich
Posted on 6/27/16 at 4:52 pm to mm2316
I see a lot of people talking bigs; I can tell you that getting a big is a distant 3rd priority this offseason behind getting two wings
Now, they might miss out on a bunch of perimeter guys and snatch up a big or re-sign Ryno because it becomes too good a value to pass up, but if they get their way, they'd get two perimeter guys and have DC, Babbitt, Diallo, Asik, and Ajinca eat up the 60 PF/C mins AD doesn't get
Now, they might miss out on a bunch of perimeter guys and snatch up a big or re-sign Ryno because it becomes too good a value to pass up, but if they get their way, they'd get two perimeter guys and have DC, Babbitt, Diallo, Asik, and Ajinca eat up the 60 PF/C mins AD doesn't get
Posted on 6/27/16 at 4:58 pm to Crewz
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have DC, Babbitt, Diallo, Asik, and Ajinca eat up the 60 PF/C mins AD doesn't get
:gulp:
Hope they sign a wing or 2 that can play the 4 then
Posted on 6/27/16 at 5:02 pm to corndeaux
Right or wrong, they have a lot more faith in Ajinca and Asik than most on this board. They think that, with an actually training camp under their belt and health, those two will be productive. And they also think DC's jumper will have even more range this year
We will see if their are smart or blinded by optimism bias
We will see if their are smart or blinded by optimism bias
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