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expiring contracts after next year
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:17 pm
jrue holiday $11MM
tyreke evens $10.2MM
alonzo gee $1.4MM (if he opts in next yr)
luke babbitt $1.2MM (if the team opts in next yr)
next year davis goes from $7MM to $20MM+
along with the big decisions this offseason, even bigger ones loom next season. its time to start thinking about whether or not holiday (and evans to a lesser extent) are the future, or there will be no future
any thoughts/comps on what holiday's next contract might look like?
tyreke evens $10.2MM
alonzo gee $1.4MM (if he opts in next yr)
luke babbitt $1.2MM (if the team opts in next yr)
next year davis goes from $7MM to $20MM+
along with the big decisions this offseason, even bigger ones loom next season. its time to start thinking about whether or not holiday (and evans to a lesser extent) are the future, or there will be no future
any thoughts/comps on what holiday's next contract might look like?
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:21 pm to cgrand
Yeah I'd really like to know more about how we could use cap space this summer to extend him if we can like Denver did with Gallo and Chandler. I don't really understand that
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:27 pm to sma19
I agree if Jrue is part of the future he should be extended now. He said he still worries about His leg so maybe hes willing to take the garunteed money. Offer him a 16 mil per year deal with bonus for all star games.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:27 pm to sma19
I agree if Jrue is part of the future he should be extended now. He said he still worries about His leg so maybe hes willing to take the garunteed money. Offer him a 16 mil per year deal with bonus for all star games.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:27 pm to sma19
I agree if Jrue is part of the future he should be extended now. He said he still worries about His leg so maybe hes willing to take the garunteed money. Offer him a 16 mil per year deal with bonus for all star games.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:34 pm to 504ByrdGang
Triple post
I agree with everything you said though
I agree with everything you said though
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:40 pm to sma19
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Yeah I'd really like to know more about how we could use cap space this summer to extend him if we can like Denver did with Gallo and Chandler.
Here's an article from TBW on it. Technically it wouldn't be an extension because that is based on your last year's salary, but he could do a renegotiation. LINK I'm not sure if I like that strategy myself with the numbers they use. They compare him to a max salary. Is Jrue going to get a max deal with so much more talent in the 2017 FA class? I can see him getting $20 per, but the extension proposed pays more than that. Maybe I'm just being naive about Holiday's market value, but if we commit to him a year early when there are serious health concerns, I expect more significant savings.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:48 pm to TigerinATL
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but if we commit to him a year early when there are serious health concerns, I expect more significant savings.
Unless the health concerns are valid and you don't get anything for your money
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:02 pm to TigerinATL
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if we commit to him a year early
that assumes holiday would consider an extension...
he'll be 27 yrs old when his contract expires, and if he has a 70- 80 game season next year, he'll have all the leverage
now if he misses 20 games its a whole different scenario
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:07 pm to Mr.Perfect
I think the concerns about his leg are valid enough that I doubt he gets a max on the open market where he's competing at the most saturated position in the league. 2017 won't be like this season where Mike Conley is good enough to be the PG headliner. 2017 FA PGs include Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Kyle Lowry, Jeff Teague, even Tyreke is competition.
Another downside of renegotiation, at least using TBW's numbers, is Jrue will be making over $22 million in 2017, rather than having a $17 million cap hold, that extra $5 million could be a big deal depending on how they plan to play FA this year and next.
Another downside of renegotiation, at least using TBW's numbers, is Jrue will be making over $22 million in 2017, rather than having a $17 million cap hold, that extra $5 million could be a big deal depending on how they plan to play FA this year and next.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:23 pm to TigerinATL
The thing that irritates me is that Jrue is not a max guy.
There should be maybe 20 max guys out there, maybe 20, not close to 40 like there is now.
Gordon Hayward, Parsons, DeRozen and Barnes are good players. Max players, they are not. I mean for god's sake, you should at least have to make an all-star team before you can even be up for a max contract, maybe two. That should be a rule. i wouldn't care if they said you had to make 1 all nba team to get a max contract. At least DeRozen has all-stars appearances.
Jrue makes an all star team once, in a weak east, then follows it up with 120 missed games over the next 3 years, and he deserves near a max contract b/c he might play well and be healthy for 1 year?
Owners need to nut up and quit giving money to players that don't deserve it. There should be more $12-14 million players out there. the ones that get max or near max money that have proven nothing to warrant max money, like Draymond Green.
There should be maybe 20 max guys out there, maybe 20, not close to 40 like there is now.
Gordon Hayward, Parsons, DeRozen and Barnes are good players. Max players, they are not. I mean for god's sake, you should at least have to make an all-star team before you can even be up for a max contract, maybe two. That should be a rule. i wouldn't care if they said you had to make 1 all nba team to get a max contract. At least DeRozen has all-stars appearances.
Jrue makes an all star team once, in a weak east, then follows it up with 120 missed games over the next 3 years, and he deserves near a max contract b/c he might play well and be healthy for 1 year?
Owners need to nut up and quit giving money to players that don't deserve it. There should be more $12-14 million players out there. the ones that get max or near max money that have proven nothing to warrant max money, like Draymond Green.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Owners need to nut up and quit giving money to players that don't deserve it. There should be more $12-14 million players out there. the ones that get max or near max money that have proven nothing to warrant max money, like Draymond Green.
you dont understand how the salary cap/revenue split works, do you? there is far, far , far more money that must be spent on players than there are players who "deserve" it
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:32 pm to TigerinATL
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2017 FA PGs include Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Kyle Lowry, Jeff Teague, even Tyreke is competition
fair on lowry, teague, evans, etc
but westbrook, paul and curry arent changing teams. yes they'll be FA's but they almost assuredly wont be on the market
i think holiday (if he plays 70- 80 next year) would be at the head of the line
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:37 pm to cgrand
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but westbrook, paul and curry arent changing teams.
Steph, yes. But if the Clippers and OKC both fail to get over the hump, I think it's far from certain that they stay put.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
he thing that irritates me is that Jrue is not a max guy.
There should be maybe 20 max guys out there, maybe 20, not close to 40 like there is now.
Gordon Hayward, Parsons, DeRozen and Barnes are good players. Max players, they are not. I mean for god's sake, you should at least have to make an all-star team before you can even be up for a max contract, maybe two. That should be a rule. i wouldn't care if they said you had to make 1 all nba team to get a max contract. At least DeRozen has all-stars appearances.
Jrue makes an all star team once, in a weak east, then follows it up with 120 missed games over the next 3 years, and he deserves near a max contract b/c he might play well and be healthy for 1 year?
Owners need to nut up and quit giving money to players that don't deserve it. There should be more $12-14 million players out there. the ones that get max or near max money that have proven nothing to warrant max money, like Draymond Green.
I think you are getting way too caught up on the word max. Those guys are worth the max versus this cap. The issue is that there are at least a dozen players that deserve significantly more than the cap. Half the guys getting the "max" are not underpaid, the other half are significantly underpaid. You need to pay attention to the relative share rather than a fabricated "max."
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:46 pm to Jester
Also, raising the max or doing away with it altogether is very good for competitive balance. Would the Heat or Cavs have been able to build their superstar rosters around Lebron if he was making $32m? Probably not. Ensuring that the stars can only get so much, that benefits the big markets. It allows them to offer the same amount. Hell, the Cavs may not have wanted to offer Lebron $35M, but the Wolves might have. The way it is set up now is basically a semi-regulated market.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:48 pm to Jester
I really hope the players fight for the exceptions to rise/fall according to the cap.
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