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re: Eric Bledsoe's Trade Value
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:44 am to brmark70816
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:44 am to brmark70816
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I think he is, more than he is a pure PG. Which makes him a great fit next to Vasquez (who can't really guard PGs). Bledsoe played SG at Kentucky and he plays with two guys now (Paul and Billups) that are natural PGs as well. It'd be a good fit here..
Vasquez is too ball dominant and doesn't work off the ball well enough. And Bledsoe needs to ball to be effective and penetrate as well...
Also, Vasquez can't guard SGs neither...
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 8:49 am
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:11 am to BarbaricPelican
Thanks for the input, Michael.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:12 am to Cap Crunch
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He was really more of a 6th man, playing behind
Anyone else see a pattern here?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:20 am to Jester
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He was really more of a 6th man, playing behind
Anyone else see a pattern here?
Yes, and I'm not sure how much I want to pay the Clip Show for him on the gamble that he makes a quantum leap forward once he is cemented in as a full-time starter, considering he'll also get a massive pay raise as well.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:22 am to Jester
What pattern?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:40 am to Jester
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Thanks for the input, Michael.
All I was doing is giving my input troll
Name is not even close to that by the way.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:51 am to teke184
Who cares if he's a 6th man? He's playing behind the best pg in the league. Vasquez was once like an 10th man.
As far as paying him.. Uh we are going to have to pay someone to play PG. if he turns out then who cares? You're going to have to play Vasquez too. We can keep recycling cheap PGs I guess
As far as paying him.. Uh we are going to have to pay someone to play PG. if he turns out then who cares? You're going to have to play Vasquez too. We can keep recycling cheap PGs I guess
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:59 am to GynoSandberg
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As far as paying him.. Uh we are going to have to pay someone to play PG. if he turns out then who cares? You're going to have to play Vasquez too. We can keep recycling cheap PGs I guess
My point is that it's one thing to pay Vasquez considering that we already know what he brings to the table and he doesn't cost us anything past his contract amount.
It's another to get Bledsoe in a trade, as all the proposed trades I've seen so far ask for too many assets for a guy who has no track record as a long-term starter and will be getting a large new contract if he comes here.
Making an RFA offer next offseason will be far preferable to a trade, but a number of people in this thread are convinced that the Clippers will flip him this year to a team who will extend him.
In short, getting Bledsoe from the Clippers this offseason will likely hobble attempts to improve at the 3 or 5 OR move Gordon for useful assets, as we will have less pieces to dangle in a trade.
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:00 am to BarbaricPelican
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Vasquez is too ball dominant and doesn't work off the ball well enough. And Bledsoe needs to ball to be effective and penetrate as well...
I didn't propose that Vasquez would work off the ball. He would remain the PG, but some ball handling would be transfered to Bledsoe. Bledsoe works very well off the ball. Like I said, he plays with two other PGS (even Crawford is a former PG). Have you watched Bledsoe/Clippers play?
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Also, Vasquez can't guard SGs neither...
The league, especially the West, is PG dominant. I wouldn't be scared of many SGs going off on Vasquez. His weakness (speed) wouldn't be as exposed and he could use strength/positioning to help compensate against bigger SGs.
If you believe Vasquez is a good starter (I think he has shown enough to get a chance and he's cheap for what he produces)and want to give him the best chance to succeed, you need the right kind of SG next to him. Gordon is not a great fit and neither would most conventional SGs. Gordon has even said that he needs the ball more to be effective. Vasquez had his best numbers next to Rivers. Who didn't need the ball and mainly just played defense (usually against PGs). It would be a good experiment for a season and if it didn't work out, they could just go with the better PG.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:36 am to brmark70816
Yes, I have and I know Bledsoe works well off the ball. Another issue is Vasquez's positioning, rotation, and speed with perimeter defending. Bledsoe can help mask that a bit, you're right. But the question is will he help it enough to make up for Vasquez's glaring flaws on defense?
Does Monty really want to experiment more?
Also, I'm not sure they keep Vasquez if they bring in another PG(even if it's experimental) with Roberts and Rivers (if they still want him at PG) there. Vasquez has more value and Roberts on a great contract. I remember hearing rumblings that Monty was upset with Vasquez because he didn't feel as if he really grew a lot (probably meant defensively).
Does Monty really want to experiment more?
Also, I'm not sure they keep Vasquez if they bring in another PG(even if it's experimental) with Roberts and Rivers (if they still want him at PG) there. Vasquez has more value and Roberts on a great contract. I remember hearing rumblings that Monty was upset with Vasquez because he didn't feel as if he really grew a lot (probably meant defensively).
This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:40 am to teke184
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In short, getting Bledsoe from the Clippers this offseason will likely hobble attempts to improve at the 3 or 5 OR move Gordon for useful assets, as we will have less pieces to dangle in a trade.
You can probably sign a young vet at the 3. Like Brewer. But I agree. I would give up two assets tops for him. Another issue with waiting is we know the Clippers will probably flip him to get assets. Secondly, if we get him and extend, we can maybe save money extending him before his value could go up and end up paying him a contract similar to Gordon....
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:41 am to BarbaricPelican
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. I remember hearing rumblings that Monty was upset with Vasquez because he didn't feel as if he really grew a lot (probably meant defensively).
Didn't he finish 2nd in MIP running?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:44 am to Gtothemoney
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Didn't he finish 2nd in MIP running?
Hence what is in the parentheses....
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:48 am to BarbaricPelican
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Also, I'm not sure they keep Vasquez if they bring in another PG
I don't know what other team would want Vasquez and what his value is right now. I'm guessing most teams would want him as a back-up, which means maybe a late 1st or a combination of 2nd rounders. I just don't see the value in moving him right now, unless it's part of a package to get a star level player.
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I remember hearing rumblings that Monty was upset with Vasquez because he didn't feel as if he really grew a lot
I have heard similar things, but I think by the end of the year Monty didn't like many guys on the team. It is not smart to be upset with a guy because he is limited. I don't care for Vasquez, but I don't think he gives a lack of effort. He just isn't a good athlete. A super athlete, like Bledsoe, can help compensate for that.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:54 am to brmark70816
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I'm guessing most teams would want him as a back-up, which means maybe a late 1st or a combination of 2nd rounders.
I would personally love him off the bench. Provides energy and leadership from there. But I think he wants to start somewhere....
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I have heard similar things, but I think by the end of the year Monty didn't like many guys on the team. It is not smart to be upset with a guy because he is limited. I don't care for Vasquez, but I don't think he gives a lack of effort. He just isn't a good athlete. A super athlete, like Bledsoe, can help compensate for that.
I think the best compliment for those two would be a one-two punch of them two. Bledsoe starting, Vasquez off the bench. Then sometimes playing together. The question is whether Vasquez wants a decreased role...
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:05 am to BarbaricPelican
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The question is whether Vasquez wants a decreased role...
The question is what other opportunities to start will Vasquez have. With his age and limitations and the number of PGs available in the league I just can't see who would go out of their way to make Vasquez their starting PG. I think he probably needs at least 20mpg to be happy, but if he gets put in a backup role there really isn't much he can do about it. His best opportunity to remain a starter would be something like being part of a S&T for Jennings.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 11:07 am to BarbaricPelican
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The question is whether Vasquez wants a decreased role...
I don't think he'd whine and bitch about it, but I see him working his arse off to prove that he deserves to start over Bledsoe.
Everything I've seen about this guy has been that he's always been told he's not good enough, athletic enough, etc., and he's worked his arse off to prove them wrong.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 12:23 pm to teke184
We are running in circles here so I will end my piece on the matter with this.
Do you realize how many players do not have track records as long term starters yet become studs when they get a chance to start? I don't know what more you need to see from a guy like Bledsoe. He has proven to be legit in games he started. He has proven to be legit by his play off the bench. Getting value in trades for guys like Bledsoe are the types of moves that make good teams great.
You are also grossly exaggerating the point where Bledsoe will hobble us in landing a 3 or a 5. If we were to trade Eric Gordon, I promise you GV or Lopez aren't going to make or break the deal. No sense in putting all your eggs in one basket here when you can use GV and Lopez in one deal and EG in another. The draft, trades, free agency with money to spend. There are so many variable
Is GV adequate given his play and contract? Sure. Was AFA adequate given his play and contract? Robin Lopez? Sure. Doesn't mean I don't want to upgrade. Complacency with mediocre talent will definitely leave this team stale.
Do you realize how many players do not have track records as long term starters yet become studs when they get a chance to start? I don't know what more you need to see from a guy like Bledsoe. He has proven to be legit in games he started. He has proven to be legit by his play off the bench. Getting value in trades for guys like Bledsoe are the types of moves that make good teams great.
You are also grossly exaggerating the point where Bledsoe will hobble us in landing a 3 or a 5. If we were to trade Eric Gordon, I promise you GV or Lopez aren't going to make or break the deal. No sense in putting all your eggs in one basket here when you can use GV and Lopez in one deal and EG in another. The draft, trades, free agency with money to spend. There are so many variable
Is GV adequate given his play and contract? Sure. Was AFA adequate given his play and contract? Robin Lopez? Sure. Doesn't mean I don't want to upgrade. Complacency with mediocre talent will definitely leave this team stale.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 1:14 pm to GynoSandberg
Just played around with the trade machine. Put together a 4 team trade to bring the Pelicans Bledsoe and my dream player, Love (LINK ). Quick breakdown:
-Clippers get R. Anderson, M. Gortat and J. Dudley
-Suns get D. Jordan, D. Williams, B. Roberts and Clippers 2013 1st pick
-Wolves get E. Gordan, Morris twins and the Pelicans 2013 1st pick
-Pelicans get K. Love, C. Butler and E. Bledsoe
If that goes down, rebuild is over. Pelicans still have space for a semi-max level player (Ellis?) and lots of pieces to play with. Davis and Love is the best frontcourt in the league..
-Clippers get R. Anderson, M. Gortat and J. Dudley
-Suns get D. Jordan, D. Williams, B. Roberts and Clippers 2013 1st pick
-Wolves get E. Gordan, Morris twins and the Pelicans 2013 1st pick
-Pelicans get K. Love, C. Butler and E. Bledsoe
If that goes down, rebuild is over. Pelicans still have space for a semi-max level player (Ellis?) and lots of pieces to play with. Davis and Love is the best frontcourt in the league..
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:14 pm to brmark70816
Put down the controller.
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