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Enough with the Monty Williams bashing
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:39 pm
Have you guys SEEN the talent on this team? There is no question that without Gordon, no team in the West has a less talented roster than the Hornets. Could Monty have done better in a couple games this year? Absolutely. That being said, how can some people be calling for his job when he is trying to win games with a group of guys that, talent-wise, could only beat maybe 3 other teams (Charlotte, Washington, maybe Detroit) in a 7-game series? Besides, I would rather have Monty over 11 of the coaches of other NBA teams:
Charlotte (Paul Silas)
Cleveland (Bryon Scott)
Detroit (Lawrence Frank)
Golden State (Mark Jackson)
LA Clippers (Vinny Del Negro)
Milwaukee (Scott Skiles)
New Jersey (Avery Johnson)
Phoenix (Alvin Gentry)
Sacramento (Keith Smart)
Toronto (Dwane Casey)
Washington (Randy Wittman)
I'm on the fence about these, but it's close:
LA Lakers (Mike Brown)
Knicks (Mike D'Antoni)
Magic (Stan Van Gundy)
Utah (Tyrone Corbin)
Again, my point is not to say that Monty Williams is a top-5 coach in this league, but simply to ask you guys to put things in perspective. The ONLY player left from the day that he took the job is Emeka Okafor. Give the roster a chance to become an actual NBA-caliber team before throwing him to the wolves.
Charlotte (Paul Silas)
Cleveland (Bryon Scott)
Detroit (Lawrence Frank)
Golden State (Mark Jackson)
LA Clippers (Vinny Del Negro)
Milwaukee (Scott Skiles)
New Jersey (Avery Johnson)
Phoenix (Alvin Gentry)
Sacramento (Keith Smart)
Toronto (Dwane Casey)
Washington (Randy Wittman)
I'm on the fence about these, but it's close:
LA Lakers (Mike Brown)
Knicks (Mike D'Antoni)
Magic (Stan Van Gundy)
Utah (Tyrone Corbin)
Again, my point is not to say that Monty Williams is a top-5 coach in this league, but simply to ask you guys to put things in perspective. The ONLY player left from the day that he took the job is Emeka Okafor. Give the roster a chance to become an actual NBA-caliber team before throwing him to the wolves.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:44 pm to droman225
I've just seen multiple comments on other threads saying Monty Williams may be the problem, when it's really impossible to know that given the lack of talent on the team.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:47 pm to GeauxHornets
I don't think everyone's problem is with him personally, but how he is handling the line-up.
Reminds me of the head games Les Miles plays with his players. You get left wondering "Why in the hell would he do that?"
Reminds me of the head games Les Miles plays with his players. You get left wondering "Why in the hell would he do that?"
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:49 pm to droman225
I started the "Monty Williams bashing" thread, but I don't think he needs to be fired. I am seriously questioning some moves he makes, but I'm hoping he learns.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:06 pm to Jester
Jester complains about everything. Don't worry about him. If we were winning he would complaint that we should tank.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:09 pm to NOLAHornet4LIFE
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Jester complains about everything. Don't worry about him. If we were winning he would complaint that we should tank.
It's cool. Monty makes no mistakes. You are looking only at my posts about two downright bad basketball teams. Sorry if realistic observations bother you.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:09 pm to Jester
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I am seriously questioning some moves he makes, but I'm hoping he learns.
i'm along the same lines. he makes moves throughout the game that are just like WTF. but nobody in the media asks him about these moves, or at least i haven't read anything of anyone having the balls to question him.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 6:44 pm to GeauxHornets
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Have you guys SEEN the talent on this team? There is no question that without Gordon, no team in the West has a less talented roster than the Hornets. Could Monty have done better in a couple games this year? Absolutely. That being said, how can some people be calling for his job when he is trying to win games with a group of guys that, talent-wise, could only beat maybe 3 other teams (Charlotte, Washington, maybe Detroit) in a 7-game series? Besides, I would rather have Monty over 11 of the coaches of other NBA teams
The Hornets are on the verge of being the worst team in league. Its an epic decline that bears scrutiny. Who exactly do you think should take the blame? Monty won with Paul, he is losing without him. How many coaches have survived a sub .200 season?
Posted on 2/9/12 at 6:53 pm to GeauxHornets
There is no excuse for Bellinelli getting the minutes he does.
Kaman is our second best player on the team, he should be logging 30+ minutes a night.
Why do we collapse in the 4th of every game? He doesn't put the optimal lineup on the floor when it matters most.
Kaman is our second best player on the team, he should be logging 30+ minutes a night.
Why do we collapse in the 4th of every game? He doesn't put the optimal lineup on the floor when it matters most.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 7:20 pm to GeauxHornets
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Besides, I would rather have Monty over 11 of the coaches of other NBA teams:
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Washington (Randy Wittman),Sacramento (Keith Smart)
Interim coaches dont count.
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Cleveland (Bryon Scott),New Jersey (Avery Johnson)
Would love to hear your reasoning on why Monty is clearly better than these guys.
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I'm on the fence about these, but it's close:Magic (Stan Van Gundy)
Again would love to hear your reasoning.
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Give the roster a chance to become an actual NBA-caliber team before throwing him to the wolves.
I absolutely agree.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 8:28 pm to dcrews
quote:He's shuffling shite, though.
I don't think everyone's problem is with him personally, but how he is handling the line-up.
It's basically just complaining about what steaming pile we'll lose that night's game with
Posted on 2/10/12 at 12:44 am to GeauxHornets
We hitched our wagon to bellinelli when we traded Marcus Thornton for a bench player. Guys like MT play 12yrs in the NBA and help young coaches keep their jobs by hitting jumpers against the shot clock. Most coaches can only dream of lasting 12 or more years in this league, and a I think great young coach would've recognized that. Now we have nothing, and we'll probably struggle for at least two more years even if we have a great draft. It's not easy to be the WORST team in the NBA, but we'll probably pull it off this year. Monty's just not humble enough IMO. Getting the opportunity to be head coach isn't nearly as hard as doing something with it. He deserves all the criticism he is getting until he proves he can win.
This post was edited on 2/10/12 at 12:55 am
Posted on 2/10/12 at 8:36 am to brmark70816
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Who exactly do you think should take the blame?
Scott/Bower/Shinn for screwing it up with CP3. Scott made drafting pointless, Bower was terrible at negotiating contracts, and Shinn's financial constraints both created and magnified every organizational weakness big time. You maybe could also blame Gary Chouest for not stepping up and buying the team. If he had bought it when he originally said he would that might have given the team enough direction and hope to keep CP3 and West.
I suppose you could blame Demps because I don't think it's a coincidence that Gordon is out for an indeterminate amount of time with a bone bruise in a year we need to tank. Last time we needed to tank West missed over 50 games with a bone bruise which lead to drafting CP3.
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How many coaches have survived a sub .200 season?
Whether Monty becomes the scape goat for this season or not is yet to be determined. It's been pretty obvious what this season would be about but I think it's finally starting to sink in to most fans who are expressing their frustration more and more with each loss. I think he should mostly get a pass for this season. It is beneficial to lose while developing young guys (which means Henry/Aminu not Beli/Ariza Monty), and this team has a really solid group of role players that's probably only 2 young star players away from being the next OKC. Unfortunately Minnesota isn't cooperating
This post was edited on 2/10/12 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/10/12 at 9:28 am to TigerinATL
+1
Monty has this band of misfit toys playing hard and competing most nights. That is a damn good achievement. Whoever the new owner becomes needs to give him a shot.
People that thought this would be anything other than a high lottery team were delusional.
You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite
Monty has this band of misfit toys playing hard and competing most nights. That is a damn good achievement. Whoever the new owner becomes needs to give him a shot.
People that thought this would be anything other than a high lottery team were delusional.
You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite
Posted on 2/10/12 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
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I don't think it's a coincidence that Gordon is out for an indeterminate amount of time with a bone bruise in a year we need to tank.
I think we need to debunk this rumor or it needs alot more analysis. That is a huge gamble for Gordon to make in a potential contract year. In my eyes, a major knee injury would stop me from signing a guy long term, until he proved it was stable and didn't diminish his skills. Not a knock on Gordon, but I just think that is smart business. Also, how would they tell Gordon to stay out? If anybody found out it would be a huge controversy. Paying a guy not to play to get a better pick. Maybe at the end of the season, if he had a minor injury and you didn't want him to chance it. But healthy players play. If they (Dell, Monty, etc..) told him not to play and denied the fans the so called new star of the franchise, then God help them. Firing woulnd't be good enough, they would need to be run out of the league. I know it's a bit naive, but you don't screw over paying customers like that.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 12:26 pm to brmark70816
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I think we need to debunk this rumor or it needs alot more analysis.
I agree this is still a conspiracy theory, but like most conspiracy theories, it fits pretty well
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That is a huge gamble for Gordon to make in a potential contract year.
Not from his perspective. If he had any doubt about getting offered more than 4/$50 in the offseason he'd have signed the extension rather than turned it down. That means whether the injury is legit or not he doesn't think it will effect his market value.
I'm not saying this is a completely fake injury, just that it's probably an injury he could play through if there was more benefit to playing than not playing. Let's say Gordon could play through the pain but legitimately needs 2-3 months of down time to heal. Playing means healing in the offseason.
Pros: Being the best player on a mid lottery team?
Cons: No Olympics, worse pick = stuck on worse team for the next 4 years, Not getting to watch as much football and college basketball
If he doesn't think it will effect his money, which turning down the extension says he doesn't, there are more reasons for Gordon to tank than play.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 12:59 pm to TigerinATL
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Cons: No Olympics, worse pick = stuck on worse team for the next 4 years, Not getting to watch as much football and college basketball
You lost me. He's not going to the Olympics either way and him sitting out the season to heal for them would be horse crap anyway. If he is healthy enough to be cleared by the doctors, he should play. I don't care about tanking or losing on purpose, he needs to be on the court.
As far as does it hurt his value. I would think not playing/being injured will start hurting his value eventually. I wouldn't give him the extension right now until I saw him play and knew he was the same as before. That would take more than a couple of games.
The whole situation just stinks to me right now. His drama is just as bad as Paul's and he is no where near Paul's level to make it worth it. I really hope he's gone after Feb. the 12th..
Posted on 2/10/12 at 1:25 pm to brmark70816
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You lost me. He's not going to the Olympics
He is on the list of 20 finalists. It's not a given that he'll make the final team but that roster hasn't been finalized and injuries can always bump him up the list. Chauncy Billups is already out due to injury.
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His drama
What drama? He's either legitimately injured or being a good soldier and going along with a tank. If you're talking about him turning down the extension, this is how the restricted free agency is set up. If you can't come to an agreement on your value you wait until the off season and let the market set your price.
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