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CQQ
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Do these injuries buy Monty another year?

I'm bummed about these injuries but I can see this buying Monty more time and, frankly, thats just as bad as the injuries. At least with him, we will be able to unintentionally tank.


NorthshoreTiger76
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
I hope not


purplepylon
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
At some point, you have to realize that it doesn't matter what players are on the court. A good coach doesn't let a team challenge the Heat for a half, then watch it fall apart in the 2nd half. A good coach doesnt allow his team to get beat by the Wizards by 20 after the second half performance in Miami. Players don't care.
Article gets written about Gordon on trading block, he decides to play hard. Writings on the wall
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WB504
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
I hope not. We were hovering around .500 before all the injuries and that's not going to get it done in the west.


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Gtothemoney
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
God, I hope not.

I'm having more enjoyment watching Parker Schnabel than these bums.

I have noticed that Joel and Wesley questioning what's going on on the court more and more. I switched over and heard Wesley question why haven't we gotten Gordon any shots 9 minutes into the 3rd quarter when he had 19 points by half.
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c on z
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
No


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THRILLHO
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duyp
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
No hopefully not. I want a coach that pulls their players to the side and scream at them if they do something wrong.


brmark70816
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
Why does everybody give Demps a pass? He put together these strange mix of players and capped the team out. Why wouldn't his job be in jeopardy first? He should be fired first and then the new GM would hire a coach that fits the team's talent..


quail man
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
probably because this isn't the finished product. i fully expect him to have something up his sleeve this summer that will get close to the finishing touches on what he sees as the future.

once again, i think he always saw this season as make or break for gordon. either he proved he's worth hanging around for 14 mil or not. he's proven that he isn't, so he will be dealt one way or another, likely to contender, and the Pels will have plenty of cap room.


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Unknown_Poster
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
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Why does everybody give Demps a pass?

Because other than that crappy first proposed Chris Paul trade he's made some great moves?


THRILLHO
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
Extending Gordon was a bad move in hindsight, but it's a mistake that I think most GMs would have made. So that and the first CP3 trade. Can't think of any other bad moves. The Ryno trade was great. The Jrue/Reke moves are looking good. He stole Smiht and Vasquez for nothing. Definitely more good moves than bad moves.


brmark70816
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
1. Extending Gordon has been crippling..

2. Dumping Vasquez and Lopez for nothing..

3. Signing Evans without trading Gordon was a huge gamble. Paying 3 guards 10+ a year is just dumb..

4. The Okafor and Ariza dump yielded nothing (almost 20 million in dead money for a season)..

5. Not getting any value out of expirings (Kaman, West, Henry, Landry and Jack)..

6. The Holiday trade is a head scratcher. I'm glad to have him, but it was another huge gamble and doesn't look like the team won that one.. yet..

I can come up with more, like capping out a lottery team and trading away a lot of future picks, but that's the main jest. If he fires Monty and hires a new coach. What happens if he made the wrong choice? If you fire him then, you'll end up having to fire the new coach as well (if the new GM wants a different coach)..


THRILLHO
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
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1. Extending Gordon has been crippling..



No one disagrees. Again, I think most GMs do the same thing, though.

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2. Dumping Vasquez and Lopez for nothing..



They dealt him for Evans.

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3. Signing Evans without trading Gordon was a huge gamble. Paying 3 guards 10+ a year is just dumb..



I doubt that keeping all 3 guards long term is Demps's plan.

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4. The Okafor and Ariza dump yielded nothing (almost 20 million in dead money for a season)..



They did that to free up cap space this season. Without doing that. We don't land either Jrue or Reke (maybe neither).

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5. Not getting any value out of expirings (Kaman, West, Henry, Landry and Jack)..



Expirings don't get you that much these days.

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6. The Holiday trade is a head scratcher. I'm glad to have him, but it was another huge gamble and doesn't look like the team won that one.. yet..



So you're ragging on Demps for something that you're not even sure was a bad move yet?



brmark70816
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
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No one disagrees. Again, I think most GMs do the same thing, though.


They would be fired for it as well..

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They dealt him for Evans.


They dumped them for cap space to sign Evans. Big difference..

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I doubt that keeping all 3 guards long term is Demps's plan.


Still a mistake. You cannot showcase 3 guards at one time, so all you do is kill at least one of the guy's trade value. Everybody knew that one of the guy's numbers would suffer and they have..

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They did that to free up cap space this season. Without doing that. We don't land either Jrue or Reke (maybe neither).


Dead money is dead money. He still has to explain to his owner why he spent 20 million just to get rid of two guys that are still playing. I understand the concept, but it's a waste..

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Expirings don't get you that much these days.


I don't know about that either. Supposedly they are the most valuable types of contracts to have..

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So you're ragging on Demps for something that you're not even sure was a bad move yet?


Yes, the Holiday deal was controversial and we needed a slam dunk out of it to look good. Holiday has been solid, but he's not an all star guard and hasn't made the team that much better. Maybe he will, but hasn't happened yet. I don't think this was a plus trade..


ShamelessPel
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
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brmark70816


I think your fishing in the wrong pond.

Demps should be judged negatively for one massive reason. He is the GM and Monty Williams is still our head coach.

Regarding our roster, outside of CP3 and draft picks, our net assets actually entered the negative column.

We now have at least 3 very trade-able assets, 1 likely trade-able asset, and 1 not-so-trade-able asset.


brmark70816
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
I look at GMs and Coaches as being attached, unless one has an exceptional track record. I don't understand firing the coach first, when I'm not sure it's totally his fault. The team make up is flawed. If you fire Monty, how long does Demps get to turn it around?

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Regarding our roster, outside of CP3 and draft picks, our net assets actually entered the negative column. We now have at least 3 very trade-able assets, 1 likely trade-able asset, and 1 not-so-trade-able asset.


I just don't agree. The team has been bad for 2 seasons. With expiring contracts and new picks, you have to add talent over time. That would have happened regardless. His job was to maximize those assets, stockpile talent and put together the best total team for his coach. I can accept it being a work in progress, but I think he made some major blunders and the team is worst off for it..


ebouillion
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
No, he still makes stupid coaching decisions, like with 2 mins left in the second he takes out Gordon and the mavs go on a run. His rotations are very poor and so are the adjustments he makes throughout the game. If we keep him I just think he's holding us back.


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MrWiseGuy
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
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brmark70816


Demps had the foresight in drafting Anthony Davis over MKG! Glad he hit on that one!!!
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brmark70816
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Member since Feb 2011
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re: Do these injuries buy Monty another year?
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Demps had the foresight in drafting Anthony Davis over MKG! Glad he hit on that one!!!


Was this ever a concern? Davis is a once in a generation talent. If he would have taken MKG, he'd already be fired..


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