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Did you ever think LaMarcus Aldridge would be this good?
Posted on 5/3/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/3/14 at 9:19 am
I ask this question not to praise Aldridge but to point out this is what a quasi All Star player looks like. They aren't perennial All Stars, but for about a 2 year period at their peak, they play their position as well as anyone else in the game. We saw the same thing happen with David West. Aldridge is 28. David West was 27-28 when he had his peak for the Hornets.
For those of you that think AD is the only contention worthy talent on the roster, I say stop being so flipping blind. Demps has surrounded Anthony Davis with 3 quasi All Stars aged 23-25. In 3 years Davis will be an undisputed top 3 player, maybe even top 1, and the Pelicans will be transitioning from playoff team to contender thanks to the continued improvement of Holiday, Evans and Anderson.
Unfortunately for the Blazers, they are built around a quasi All Star who's contract just so happens to end at the height of his peak (1 more year). So they will be paying him $20 million per year as he declines to solid starter status as we've seen with guys like West and Iggy. The Pelicans on the other hand will have 3 quasi All Stars playing roles to backup an MVP candidate meaning they'll be paid well, but not max level. Hello Spurs model.
For those of you that think AD is the only contention worthy talent on the roster, I say stop being so flipping blind. Demps has surrounded Anthony Davis with 3 quasi All Stars aged 23-25. In 3 years Davis will be an undisputed top 3 player, maybe even top 1, and the Pelicans will be transitioning from playoff team to contender thanks to the continued improvement of Holiday, Evans and Anderson.
Unfortunately for the Blazers, they are built around a quasi All Star who's contract just so happens to end at the height of his peak (1 more year). So they will be paying him $20 million per year as he declines to solid starter status as we've seen with guys like West and Iggy. The Pelicans on the other hand will have 3 quasi All Stars playing roles to backup an MVP candidate meaning they'll be paid well, but not max level. Hello Spurs model.
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
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Demps has surrounded Anthony Davis with 3 quasi All Stars aged 23-25. In 3 years Davis will be an undisputed top 3 player, maybe even top 1, and the Pelicans will be transitioning from playoff team to contender thanks to the continued improvement of Holiday, Evans and Anderson.
Well, if only two of the three truly turn out to be quasi-All Stars, that ain't half bad.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
I get everything you're saying but Aldridge has been good for a long time on some bad teams though so he doesn't stand out until really this year. He has been all star caliber for more than few years easily. But I wouldn't put Anderson in the conversation. Love the guy but not in same caliber as the others
Nvm I see you weren't saying Anderson was. But Aldridge isn't on decline. Or even close. He has a great mid range game which will allow him to be really good for longer than most. Bigger and better version of D West
Nvm I see you weren't saying Anderson was. But Aldridge isn't on decline. Or even close. He has a great mid range game which will allow him to be really good for longer than most. Bigger and better version of D West
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 10:13 am
Posted on 5/3/14 at 10:39 am to TigerinATL
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The Pelicans on the other hand will have 3 quasi All Stars playing roles to backup an MVP candidate meaning they'll be paid well, but not max level. Hello Spurs model.
The term "Spurs model" is the most missed used phrase in the world on here. The Spurs are built around brilliant scouting, team harmony, veteran leadership, judicious spending and savy coaching. The Pelicans are lacking in pretty much every one of those categories. I don't see any valid comparisons to the Spurs, other than we got Davis. Who is kind of like Duncan. That phrase needs to be retired..
Posted on 5/3/14 at 10:48 am to LSU1SLU
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Aldridge has been good for a long time
He has, I'm not saying he's only going to be good for 2 years, just that he's only going to be great for 2-3 years. Once he's peaked, he'll "decline" back to good. There's just a difference between the quasi All Stars and the perennial All Stars.
And yes I was putting Anderson in the category of quasi All-Star. It's clearly a spectrum and not everyone will be over 20/10 at their peak, especially if they are playing a role on a good team, but the point is most people look at the pieces we have now and act as if the team is capped out talent wise allowing no room for improvement. All 3 of Holiday, Evans, and Anderson has some group of people on this board wanting to trade them for something better. Maybe you can package 2 of them if the right disgruntled perennial All Star hits the market, but short of that, we aren't getting an upgrade by trading those guys, and honestly, we probably don't need an upgrade if AD and those 3 reach their potential.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 10:57 am to brmark70816
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The Spurs are built around brilliant scouting, team harmony, veteran leadership, judicious spending and savy coaching.
I definitely agree that Pop gets left out of the "Spurs Model" far too often. As for the rest of your complaints, I'm not submitting the current roster as dynasty worthy. I'm also not surprised you don't agree because you seem to evaluate the 3 players in question very differently than I do. I just can't wait until they move Eric Gordon and we see what this team is really capable of.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:04 pm to TigerinATL
Delusion
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:07 pm to TigerinATL
Without Pop there is no Spurs model.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:23 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
What's delusional about it troll?
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:30 pm to TigerinATL
Now we have to add the right role players. That's what makes the Spurs model go IMO. Guys like Danny Green, Matt Bonner, Borris Diaw, and even Marco Belinelli have all done great jobs with their roles which allows the team to be successful.
Hopefully Dell can fill those holes for us over the next couple of years and whoever our coach is can figure out how to make them successful.
Hopefully Dell can fill those holes for us over the next couple of years and whoever our coach is can figure out how to make them successful.
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/3/14 at 12:32 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Without Pop there is no Spurs model.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 1:11 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
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deathvalleyfreak43
Get off of my board.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 1:13 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm also not surprised you don't agree because you seem to evaluate the 3 players in question very differently than I do.
I'm sure I do. I'm just trying to be realistic though. Those 3 guys will all be going into their 6th or 7th season and are set for life financially. 2 of them are coming off of very dramatic, career threatening injuries. The other just had his worst season as a pro. To expect all 3 of them to improve at this stage in their career is just wishful thinking. I just hope that they become solid contributors so that they keep some trade value.
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I just can't wait until they move Eric Gordon and we see what this team is really capable of.
I hate Gordon more than everybody else on here. I was the first against him and got blasted for it daily. But to blame him for this season is just unfair. He was actually pretty decent. I'd rather keep him, watch him blow up in a contract year and then watch him opt out.
I like that everybody thought it was great that we paid 14M just to get rid of Okafor and Ariza (two semi-solid NBA starters). But we are going to actually score something good for Gordon. The faith in Demps is unbelievable.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 6:47 pm to TigerinATL
But by the time Aldridge starts to hit his decline (assuming it is in the next two years), Lillard may have very well ascended into top 3 p.g. status and perennial all-star in his own right.
Posted on 5/3/14 at 8:33 pm to TigerinATL
The Bulls obviously didn't.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:11 pm to TigerinATL
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I just can't wait until they move Eric Gordon and we see what this team is really capable of.
This
Posted on 5/4/14 at 12:58 pm to brmark70816
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Those 3 guys will all be going into their 6th or 7th season and are set for life financially. 2 of them are coming off of very dramatic, career threatening injuries. The other just had his worst season as a pro.
Anderson's injury is scary, Jrue's is not. If he were a behemoth 7 footer I would be a little worried because once bigs get bad wheels they go down quick, but there is nothing to suggest this will be a long term issue with Holiday.
Tyreke did NOT just have his worst season, he just had a season where a stupid coach played him the least minutes he's ever gotten. 18.4 is the best PER of his career and the best PER since his rookie season. His per 36 minutes stats are better than his career numbers, and only 1 point down from his rookie year while assists and rebounds are both up about 1 from his banner rookie season. And all of those good numbers came where about half the season he played terribly because of injuries, adjusting to a new team/role, and the aforementioned stupid coach that put him in bad situations.
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To expect all 3 of them to improve at this stage in their career is just wishful thinking.
Then why do players have a "prime" period? Do I expect them to add a bunch of new skills and become different players? Not really. I expect them to mature, become more savvy and more consistent. To refine their strengths and learn how to better hide their weaknesses. I'm not thinking wishfully expecting them to improve, you're thinking fearfully by expecting them to not improve.
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 2:57 pm to TigerinATL
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Anderson's injury is scary, Jrue's is not. If he were a behemoth 7 footer I would be a little worried because once bigs get bad wheels they go down quick, but there is nothing to suggest this will be a long term issue with Holiday
I hope not. But the cause of the injury is sort of mysterious. I guess he over worked it or something along those lines. I don't know if it makes him more prone to breaking the leg again, but I'd be curious what the recovery is like. It's something not a lot of people are talking about.
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Tyreke did NOT just have his worst season, he just had a season where a stupid coach played him the least minutes he's ever gotten. 18.4 is the best PER of his career and the best PER since his rookie season. His per 36 minutes stats are better than his career numbers, and only 1 point down from his rookie year while assists and rebounds are both up about 1 from his banner rookie season. And all of those good numbers came where about half the season he played terribly because of injuries, adjusting to a new team/role, and the aforementioned stupid coach that put him in bad situations.
I got it. The evil coach held him down. If only he had gotten his real chance, he would have dominated this season. It's just the story of Evans' career. Dumb coaches don't know how to play him right or play him at the wrong position. He doesn't have enough talent around him. Or the injuries are holding him back. He doesn't really need a jump shot and he really does play good defense, just not in a good system that shows it.. One day it'll all come together for him..
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Then why do players have a "prime" period? Do I expect them to add a bunch of new skills and become different players? Not really. I expect them to mature, become more savvy and more consistent. To refine their strengths and learn how to better hide their weaknesses. I'm not thinking wishfully expecting them to improve, you're thinking fearfully by expecting them to not improve.
Those 3 guys should be in their prime right now. How long do you think regular NBA careers are? If the average is around 10 or so (it's closer to 5 seasons), you should be in your prime around your 4th or 5th year then it stretches a couple of seasons. All 3 are past that. It's realistic or just a fact that they are pretty much what they are going to be. Perhaps they develop other parts of their games, but that'll be cause they loose speed and athleticism as they become older. It's a give and take. That's not improvement.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 3:05 pm to brmark70816
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I got it. The evil coach held him down. If only he had gotten his real chance, he would have dominated this season. It's just the story of Evans' career. Dumb coaches don't know how to play him right or play him at the wrong position. He doesn't have enough talent around him. Or the injuries are holding him back. He doesn't really need a jump shot and he really does play good defense, just not in a good system that shows it.. One day it'll all come together for him..
The difference between him playing off the bench and 20mpg for 3/4 of the season vs. him playing 30+mpg and starting for 1/4 of the season.
BIG difference, his play along with AD are the reason why we even won that many games that late in the season. So yes, dumb coaching was a big factor.
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Those 3 guys should be in their prime right now. How long do you think regular NBA careers are? If the average is around 10 or so (it's closer to 5 seasons), you should be in your prime around your 4th or 5th year then it stretches a couple of seasons. All 3 are past that. It's realistic or just a fact that they are pretty much what they are going to be. Perhaps they develop other parts of their games, but that'll be cause they loose speed and athleticism as they become older. It's a give and take. That's not improvement.
Reke is 24, 25 at season start
Jrue is 23, 24 at season start
Ryno is 25, 26 at season start
KD just turned 25 this past year (sept) and he's elevated his game a tad bit more as well. So since KD is the same age and played roughly the same, he's going to be on the decline real soon too right?
Chris paul is 29 in 2 days and he's still playing as efficient as he's ever been.
Lamarcus Aldridge is 27 and he's playing his best bball in his career this year.
Stephen Curry is 26, guess he's done too right?
Vince Carter played his best basketball til 30 and he was still efficient.
please stop
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/4/14 at 6:12 pm to VOR
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