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TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
37966 posts

re: Dell Demps

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But my god that move with Jack was TERRIBLE


Yes and no. On the one hand the move cleared the cap space that lead to Lopez. Lopez for Jack is a solid move. On the other hand this was yet another good will gesture and I'm not sure how much that actually gets you. I'm assuming all the minutes Henry is getting right now is Monty and Demps letting him audition for his next job on another team. All the marginal players in the league that can't get good offers will be dying to be Pelicans. Not a bad thing but is it worth sacrificing trade assets and flexibility?

The flip side of the good will coin is Morey in Houston who supposedly has a bad rep with agents for things like never offering extensions. That lack of good will didn't seem to stop him from building a solid young core from the supposed NBA dead zone of the playoff bubble.


LosLobos111
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Revolution Road
Member since Feb 2011
21190 posts

re: Dell Demps
That would lead us to be a 40-45 win team for years

That would get us nowhere


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Hazelnut
LA-Lafayette Fan
The Flattz
Member since May 2011
12514 posts

re: Dell Demps
Why should they get any blame? Look at the circumstances. We knew we'd suck. Gordon would have to play lights out all season for us to have any shot at competing for a playoff spot. This season went like many of us expected. When you have Aminu as you're starting SF, you're gonna suck. Plain and simple. Can you at least try being patient until we are able to get some real talent around us? If we dont improve drastically next year, I will be blaming both Monty and Dell because we have the cap space to get talent, and Monty will have the talent to run a real defense and hopefully a better offense. If Monty and Dell both do their jobs, we should be in the playoffs next year.


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THRILLHO
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2006
39158 posts

re: Dell Demps
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For the same money we are playing for Anderson, we could have kept the other 3.


The other three make a combined $3m more than Ryno, and Ryno is the best player of the lot. And Jack had nothing to do with Ryno, he was dealt after Anderson was on the team so as to free up space to take on Lopez.

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3. Not move Ariza and Okafor in a salary dump.


No one even thought what Demps pulled off was possible. It was THAT good of a move.

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The team would have looked like this..

Vasquez/Jack/Roberts
Martin/Rivers
Aminu/Ariza/Miller
Davis/Landry/Ayon
Okafor/Motie/Smith


Davis almost certainly wouldn't be on the team if we had made those moves.

quote:

That's a horrid foundation


This.
This post was edited on 4/15 at 8:46 pm


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danman6336
Duke Fan
Member since Jan 2005
18284 posts

re: Dell Demps
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Lopez for Jack is a solid move.
That's highly debatable


danman6336
Duke Fan
Member since Jan 2005
18284 posts

re: Dell Demps
Also, the only really outstanding move he has made was the Vasquez trade

That's it

Other than that he's made ok moves (Chris Paul trade, Anderson trade) neutral moves (letting Landry leave, trading Ariza and Oak for cap space) and shitty moves (re-signing Gordon, falling in love with Rivers at the draft, trading Jack)

He's made one outstanding move so far. I just don't understand why he's so above criticism on this board after doing really nothing particularly special since he's been GM
This post was edited on 4/15 at 8:51 pm


TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
37966 posts

re: Dell Demps
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That's highly debatable


Really? Bench guard for Bench big. Jack may be a better bench player, but Lopez is younger and on a better contract, there were no minutes for Jack and there were plenty of minutes for Lopez.


Fun Bunch
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
33110 posts

re: Dell Demps
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3. Not move Ariza and Okafor in a salary dump. I didn't like either player, but they both play solid defense. Plus they would have been more attractive this season for other teams in a salary dump.


What. The. frick.


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memphstigers23
Ole Miss Fan
Fenway Pahk
Member since Mar 2012
10278 posts

re: Dell Demps
quote:

Accept the Houston trade for Gordon

Stopped reading here. Ignorant move.


danman6336
Duke Fan
Member since Jan 2005
18284 posts

re: Dell Demps
quote:

Bench guard for Bench big
Don't under play Jack's ability to make a point

Jack has proven beyond any doubt he is a solid starting NBA PG

Lopez has proven nothing except that he's a decent rotation guy


danman6336
Duke Fan
Member since Jan 2005
18284 posts

re: Dell Demps
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there were no minutes for Jack and there were plenty of minutes for Lopez.
Yea, because lord knows this team has just been killing it at back up combo guard this year


THRILLHO
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2006
39158 posts

re: Dell Demps
Lopez: 17th among centers in PER
Jack: 31st among PGs in PER


If we don't (essentially) trade Jack for Lopez, who is our starting C this season?


danman6336
Duke Fan
Member since Jan 2005
18284 posts

re: Dell Demps
Jason Smith


corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
6503 posts

re: Dell Demps
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Accept the Houston trade for Gordon

Stopped reading here. Ignorant move.


Meh. No one knows what Houston was offering. If it was Martin/Toronto's first/PatPat or the first that became Lamb, then that was probably worth getting rid of the Gordon headache. At this point, less probably is worth it for most people.


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THRILLHO
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2006
39158 posts

re: Dell Demps
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Yea, because lord knows this team has just been killing it at back up combo guard this year



They wanted to see what Rivers could do. He didn't work out, but he was clearly improving later in the season. You don't give up an opportunity to develop a guard you expect to be a major part of your future for a solid but unspectacular 29 year old, especially when you're 2 or 3 years away from making noise in the playoffs.


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corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
6503 posts

re: Dell Demps
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Lopez: 17th among centers in PER Jack: 31st among PGs in PER 


I like PER and I'm fine with the Jack for Lopez swap, but that is a misleading #. Cs almost universally have a higher PER because they shoot better %s, grab more boards, and have less TOs.


THRILLHO
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2006
39158 posts

re: Dell Demps
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Cs almost universally have a higher PER because they shoot better %s, grab more boards, and have less TOs.


That's why I posted their rank compared to players of the same position. That big men typically have higher PER's has no bearing on Jack having 30 PGs ahead of him and Lopez having 16 centers ahead of him.


LosLobos111
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Revolution Road
Member since Feb 2011
21190 posts

re: Dell Demps
quote:

Jason Smith


Who's hurt right now

Lopez for Jack got us help at a position of need.

Roberts has been really solid at back up PG so it's no big deal.


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supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
723 posts

re: Dell Demps
This will be the first offseason, the team won't be tied to any truly bad contracts. Demps will have flexibility and cap space to mold the roster. What he did last season to create cap flexibility was nothing short of amazing. Let's see how he does without any handicaps. We've yet to see what Demps is really capable of. With nothing to hold him back for the first time since he was hired, it'll be interesting to see what he does.



THRILLHO
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2006
39158 posts

re: Dell Demps
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Jason Smith



Much more of a PF before and would have been unlikely to make it a full season at center (and he didn't).

LINK

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``No one has really addressed me about that, but I know that is a possibility,’’ said Smith, who is the only current player on the Hornets’ roster that has played significant time at center. `` I know I would definitely have to work on my body because I know I am an undersized center in the NBA.’’




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