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Brandon Knight on the trade block?

Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:52 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:52 am
ESPN's Marc Stein lists him as someone that will be made available LINK Matt Moore from CBS lists potentially interested teams including the Pels. LINK However, Knight played his best ball as lead guard for the Bucks. With Buddy penciled in as the eventual starting SG, Knight would need to be good as a $14.5 million 6th man, which he hasn't been, I'm not interested.

But a poster on PR came up with a pretty intriguing 3 team trade with Philly. LINK

Philly gets Knight/Ajinca
Phoenix gets Tyreke
Pels get Okafor and Luwawu


With Sarver's reputation for being cheap and the Suns being a young team that should tank, I think Tyreke and his insurance money might be the best offer they get for Knight. The poster that created the trade talked about throwing in a top 20 protected pick to Philly. Even if Philly only did 1 of Take Ajinca/Trade Okafor/Trade Luwawu without the pick I think I'd be happy. But I'd definitely consider trading a protected pick or giving them their 2nd back for the full trade.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:02 am to
504Byrd just came
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:09 am to
for luwowow or okafor?
okafors lazy defense and screen setting is concerning
Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
6729 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

Philly gets Knight/Ajinca
Phoenix gets Tyreke
Pels get Okafor and Luwawu


Where do I sign up
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

okafors lazy defense and screen setting is concerning


Is it better than Tyreke's defense and screen setting, from the bench in his suit every game.

And i'm pretty sure he's better in every aspect of the game than Ajinca.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:11 pm to
Make it Noel and you've got a deal
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34247 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:54 pm to
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okafors lazy defense and screen setting is concerning


Dude, you're talking about Tyrec and the French Shawn Bradley. I'd dry hump that trade wearing jeans with no underwear on.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71962 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

With Sarver's reputation for being cheap and the Suns being a young team that should tank, I think Tyreke and his insurance money might be the best offer they get for Knight


Delusional
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:18 pm to
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Delusional


Maybe, but I don't see the potential teams listed offering more.

The Magic already have DJ Augustin locked up for 4/$29. Is Knight that much of an upgrade that they'd pay double the salary and trade a 1st to get him?

The Nets should be trying to acquire post 2018 assets to start a rebuild, trading or flipping Lopez for Knight would seem silly. Can Knight lead the team any further than Lopez?

Philly is trying to move bigs and not finding many takers. Maybe the Suns would take something like Knight for Okafor/Luwawu, but I just don't see why you'd bring in another young big when you have 3 top 8 picks bigs under 24 years old.

I don't see the value in Knight as your 3rd guard for the Pels, but you've been trying to trade Holiday for a few years so you may see value in him as the starting PG, but if the Pels trade for him it wouldn't be as the long term starter unless Holiday has told them he isn't resigning.

Do you have any potential trade partners not listed or feel I'm misreading the ones I listed? Tobias Harris was resigned with the intention of flipping, is a good player at a position of need on an old cap contract, and he only fetched expirings. Wilson Chandler was signed for the same reason and the Nuggets have found more value in keeping him than trading him. Just because a player should fetch more doesn't mean they will. I still can't believe the Tobias Harris trade, yet it happened.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71962 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:08 pm to
Tobias Harris and the Magic situation wasn't the norm, yes? A lot of stuff went on there if I recall

I don't even think Knight is that great, I'm just trying to find the Suns motivation to take something from us that's not a draft pick? The article states we have a few pieces they might want, and I'm struggling to find them seeing as they have a lot of young big men, as you mentioned. Maybe a healthy evans and his expiring benefits them

I guess the question is what is PHO trying to accomplish? Wasn't Bledsoe on the block at one point, too?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:00 pm to
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I guess the question is what is PHO trying to accomplish?


At one point they thought Bledsoe/Knight was the back court of the future, then Booker happened and Knight became an over paid, inefficient 6th man, who's probably a little disgruntled too at not starting on a losing team. Do they want a draft pick for the guy that they gave up a pick to get? No doubt. But you can get a 6th man with an 11.2 PER for a lot cheaper than $14.5 million. So I'm not sure you can argue they'd be better off keeping him. He looks like a negative trade asset unless the team you're trading him to wants him to start. But there just aren't that many teams with that need. Philly fits, but they aren't finding takers for their bigs and I believe it was Marc Stein on a recent Lowe Post that said that even though there are a lot of sellers, no teams are looking for bigs right now. So Philly might not be able to turn Noel/Okafor into picks to trade for Knight.

And Tyreke isn't just an expiring, he's an expiring that comes with a lump sum of $1.6 - $3.2 million and counting direct to the team/owner, not the cap. That's at least worth a high 2nd, or possibly more to an owner with a reputation for being cheap.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:58 pm to
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owner with a reputation for being cheap.


they are already $14M below the cap (and $2M below the floor).

and their future cap sheet is pretty clean, outside of Chandler's deal. all their core guys are either locked into reasonable new cap deals or on rookie contracts that don't come up until 18-19 (unless you want to count Tucker or Alex Len's RFA this summer...i don't)

to me, PHX moving Knight is more of a clear out dead weight move than a save $$ move.



not too sure about Knight in NOP either. i get dumping Evans for something. but 3 more years of Brandon Knight doesn't do much for this team. a small, ball dominant combo guard who isn't a great passer or defender who has had one very good half season and would be on his 4th team in 7 years?

i semi-joked before the summer that the Pels would sell the 2016 1st for him b/c it would be a vintage Demps move.


if anything, i'd work my arse off to get a 3 teamer going with Philly:

Knight to PHI
Noel or Okafor to NOP
picks/expirings to PHX
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71962 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:49 pm to
I always associated Knight with Kemba Walker before Walker made his big jump last year.

I guess I wouldn't be totally against buying him, Im just not sure if he's reached his ceiling yet
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:56 pm to
that's fair. i'm less bullish, but it's possible there's still a jump for him. the trade to PHX and injuries have derailed him.

i wouldn't be upset at giving up Evans/Ajinca for Knight. still a good deal for the Pels. especially if they aren't sure about paying Holiday or if he even wants to stay.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38642 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:28 pm to
You would think though the three teamer makes more sense for phx
moving knight for our crap is a straight salary dump
and surely PHI can use knight right now

we will see I guess
ajinca makes my blood boil so even if it's just stretch him to open a roster spot for another prospect I'm on board
Posted by Dayman
Member since Sep 2015
713 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:52 pm to
This is not Brandon Knight related, but I thought I'd share this here without making a new thread.

LINK

Edit: Link is to Twitter of pelican insider who claims Pels will definitely make a trade when Tyreke gets back.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:12 pm to
The only way they don't make a trade is if Tyreke clicks with the rest of the team and they go streaking. They just have too many guards playing too well and need to keep feeding Buddy at least 10-15 MPG. If QPon rises from the dead it's even more crowded.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11853 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

This is not Brandon Knight related, but I thought I'd share this here without making a new thread. LINK Edit: Link is to Twitter of pelican insider who claims Pels will definitely make a trade when Tyreke gets back.
Not certain that is what he is saying. Even if it is, this is just Deano Hanson, a part time "reporter" that was on the radio. Not an insider.
Posted by Dayman
Member since Sep 2015
713 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:40 pm to
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Not certain that is what he is saying.


How are you not certain?

The question is: "Hey @dinohoops11 is there any news on if the Pels would be make any trade for another player whenever Tyreke is available to play?"

His response: "There definitely will be whenever he gets back."

I can't vouch for whether he has inside sources, but his answer seems pretty clear to me.
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