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Assuming Best Case for the new additions, what else does this team need?
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:56 am
Hield becomes a legit scorer with good enough defense rather than just a spot up shooter.
Hill becomes DeMarre Carroll
Galloway and Moore are decent 2 way combo guards
Diallo becomes a rim protecting big that compliments AD and is good enough on offense.
I guess my question is if all of that happens, do we still need a playmaking SF rather than a DeMarre Carroll type? Because outside of getting Hayward in FA next year we'd either have to draft one or trade for one.
Hill becomes DeMarre Carroll
Galloway and Moore are decent 2 way combo guards
Diallo becomes a rim protecting big that compliments AD and is good enough on offense.
I guess my question is if all of that happens, do we still need a playmaking SF rather than a DeMarre Carroll type? Because outside of getting Hayward in FA next year we'd either have to draft one or trade for one.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
We still need a good-decent center
Preferably one who at least has one skill.
Preferably one who at least has one skill.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:00 am to The Pirate King
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We still need a good-decent center
I'm not talking about this year, I mean more long term. Assuming the best case scenario long term you have AD and Diallo getting the bulk of the PF/C minutes.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
Long term we would need a dynamic wing player even if hill became Carroll
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:03 am to TigerinATL
I want Hayward. I think this team would be legit if we scored him in free agency next year
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:05 am to TigerinATL
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Assuming the best case scenario long term you have AD and Diallo getting the bulk of the PF/C minutes.
If we're counting on Diallo as a center, we are in serious trouble.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:19 am to The Pirate King
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If we're counting on Diallo as a center, we are in serious trouble.
We're counting on Diallo as a rim protecting help defender next to AD. AD played over 50% of the center minutes last year. 2 years from now AD will hopefully be 250+ and ready to admit he's kind of a center. You probably still need someone like Asik or Ajinca around to lean on the lumbering bigs 20 minutes a game for 30 games a year, but AD and Diallo should be fine most of the time.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:22 am to TigerinATL
Diallo doesn't look like a good enough rebounder to play center against anything but the opposing teams small lineup.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:24 am to LSUSaintsHornets
Stretch four, backup big that can rebound, and probably another 2-way wing forward off the bench
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
I think it all depends on Heilds development. If he can be a good distributor then just the 3-D wing will be fine, but if he is a pure scorer that only gets a couple assists a game then we will for sure need that playmaking wing. Heres hoping that buddy blossoms.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 11:10 am to TigerinATL
I think you would still need a two-way forward. I think that if Hill becomes Demarre, he finishes at 4 with AD at 5 in most cases. Or, if the matchup calls for Diallo and AD, Hill is still off the court because of the spacing
So, you need a SF who can create for himself and others while being able to defend the perimeter and ideally switch too. Good luck finding that, but if you do and everything else breaks perfect, then you could be a contender in 2-3 years
So, you need a SF who can create for himself and others while being able to defend the perimeter and ideally switch too. Good luck finding that, but if you do and everything else breaks perfect, then you could be a contender in 2-3 years
Posted on 7/11/16 at 11:12 am to sma19
I think we still need a legit scoring SF.
I have a feeling we are giving Galloway a tryout as a PG, and seeing if he is that much different than Jrue, and we will be making a decision on just one of them next season.
If Jrue continues injury issues, i think he isnt' going to be with us next year. If he plays well enough and injury free enough to garner $25M+/yr, and we can sign Galloway for say $10/yr and the difference isnt' that big, then Jrue might be a gone pecan there too, assuming Galloway continues to be a great defensive PG and capable of running the offense efficiently while hitting open shots.
I think Buddy is going to be a legit SG, and i also think when he's out there in a real game, we will see one of two things. Teams will play him as if he's EG, and he will get open shots to hit and not have to do so much, or teams are going to play him like he's Ray Allen, which is how these two summer league games have gone, and that attention will open up the offense more for everyone else. I think it will take him probably 3 years before he can even be considered to get to an all-star level.
I think Diallo, based on 2 SL games , will be a good 5 to play with AD against smaller 5's. We will still need a legit big 5 to guard guys like Gasol/Howard/Jordan/etc. Diallo looks like a guy that can protect the rim and play with most 5's, while also being able to guard the perimeter decent enough. As long as he develops and he and AD can provide the defense down low for the most part, we can skimp on a big 5, since we would only need him to play against certain teams, much like how you saw Bogut the last two years. Sometimes Bogut was awesome, other times he didn't even play.
I think Solomon Hill can be a decent enough SF, but isn't the answer, and if we can get a legit SF, he'd probably be more of a small ball 4 for us. I don't think i expect him to even be Demarre Carroll, but would be great if he was.
I don't know how we can get a legit SF in FA like Gordon Hayward, who is the only legit SF considering Rudy Gay and Iggy are the next best SF's next year. I just don't see any way Hayward would ever decide to come here. We have a better chance at getting CP3 than Hayward, and both of those are 1% at best.
We don't have much to offer in trades other than our pick next year. We aren't going to get a decent SF back in a trade b/c the only trade assets we will have will be Jrue and Reke, and the only teams that would want them on a 1 year rental would be contenders, and they aren't giving up something of value for them outside of a pick at best, adn that pick won't be anything before 20.
So it really comes down to finding a legit SF in the draft next year, which is a crap shoot most likely. Arizona, Duke, FSU, MSU and Kansas all have SF's coming in that are expected to be top 15 picks.
I have a feeling we are giving Galloway a tryout as a PG, and seeing if he is that much different than Jrue, and we will be making a decision on just one of them next season.
If Jrue continues injury issues, i think he isnt' going to be with us next year. If he plays well enough and injury free enough to garner $25M+/yr, and we can sign Galloway for say $10/yr and the difference isnt' that big, then Jrue might be a gone pecan there too, assuming Galloway continues to be a great defensive PG and capable of running the offense efficiently while hitting open shots.
I think Buddy is going to be a legit SG, and i also think when he's out there in a real game, we will see one of two things. Teams will play him as if he's EG, and he will get open shots to hit and not have to do so much, or teams are going to play him like he's Ray Allen, which is how these two summer league games have gone, and that attention will open up the offense more for everyone else. I think it will take him probably 3 years before he can even be considered to get to an all-star level.
I think Diallo, based on 2 SL games , will be a good 5 to play with AD against smaller 5's. We will still need a legit big 5 to guard guys like Gasol/Howard/Jordan/etc. Diallo looks like a guy that can protect the rim and play with most 5's, while also being able to guard the perimeter decent enough. As long as he develops and he and AD can provide the defense down low for the most part, we can skimp on a big 5, since we would only need him to play against certain teams, much like how you saw Bogut the last two years. Sometimes Bogut was awesome, other times he didn't even play.
I think Solomon Hill can be a decent enough SF, but isn't the answer, and if we can get a legit SF, he'd probably be more of a small ball 4 for us. I don't think i expect him to even be Demarre Carroll, but would be great if he was.
I don't know how we can get a legit SF in FA like Gordon Hayward, who is the only legit SF considering Rudy Gay and Iggy are the next best SF's next year. I just don't see any way Hayward would ever decide to come here. We have a better chance at getting CP3 than Hayward, and both of those are 1% at best.
We don't have much to offer in trades other than our pick next year. We aren't going to get a decent SF back in a trade b/c the only trade assets we will have will be Jrue and Reke, and the only teams that would want them on a 1 year rental would be contenders, and they aren't giving up something of value for them outside of a pick at best, adn that pick won't be anything before 20.
So it really comes down to finding a legit SF in the draft next year, which is a crap shoot most likely. Arizona, Duke, FSU, MSU and Kansas all have SF's coming in that are expected to be top 15 picks.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 11:16 am to TigerinATL
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Hill becomes DeMarre Carroll
Both have long hair.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:42 pm to TigerinATL
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Hill becomes DeMarre Carroll
If Hill becomes DeMarre, our starting 5 should be competitive with anyone. Only way to upgrade would be to replace Jrue with a superstar.
After that, we need serious depth. I like, hell, even love, the way cunningham plays, but he shouldn't be on the floor for a serious contender. Need a good veteran backup point like a Jarret Jack, good shooter like afflalo or someone at the 2, athletic/defender like Aminu at 3, someone like Speights at the 4 and then a project at C like biyambo, or myles turner.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:46 pm to GynoSandberg
So you don't think the best case scenario for Hield is a starting caliber SG?
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