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re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by pelicansfan on 7/2/15 at 12:28 am to LosLobos111
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Mason Ginsberg ?@MasonGinsberg 29m29 minutes ago Looks like the Pelicans will have to clear about $5 million in cap space before next July in order to have room for a max contract (doable).
Does this include Gordon's and Anderson's expiring contracts?
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by CocoLoco on 7/2/15 at 12:43 am to pelicansfan
We will land a big time player next season I am sure of it
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by touchdownjeebus on 7/2/15 at 12:59 am to CocoLoco
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We will land a big time player next season I am sure of it
Austin Rivers will be available.
i wasnt too excited when i first saw that it was 5 years.
But knowing Asik, in our eyes, is only 4 years worth 12% of the teams total cap, you cant be mad about that deal.
There really werent and arent many other options at center that were available besides resigning Asik. And as much as his fumbles and missed layups want to make me puke at times, he is very valuable to this team. We need his big body and rebounding.
But knowing Asik, in our eyes, is only 4 years worth 12% of the teams total cap, you cant be mad about that deal.
There really werent and arent many other options at center that were available besides resigning Asik. And as much as his fumbles and missed layups want to make me puke at times, he is very valuable to this team. We need his big body and rebounding.
This post was edited on 7/2 at 2:08 am
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by THRILLHO on 7/2/15 at 4:21 am to pelicansfan
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Does this include Gordon's and Anderson's expiring contracts?
Yes. I suspect it doesn't take into account an MLE or BAE contract, so it's probably going to be more like $10-11m needed to be cleared for a max guy (almost exactly Reke's conract).
If Reke, EG, and Ryno have solid or better seasons, the best option might be to re-sign either EG or Ryno longterm, then sending out Reke and the other in a Durant S&T. Assuming that Durant wanted to come here and we wouldn't have too much trouble clearing the space, Reke on his cheap final season + Ryno wouldn't be a bad haul for OKC, plus this would allow us to keep a possibly solid player in EG + use the MLE again.
It's easy to assume that we'd have a thin team if we landed Durant, but it could easily be something like:
Jrue/2016MLE
EG/QPon
Durant/2015MLE
AD/??
Asik/Ajinca
And if we could pull that off, the 2016 MLE guy could easily be a really good player at a discout that wants to win a championship before retiring. I know it's all a longshot, but it's not crazy talk like the "Why not Lebron!?" talk of last offseason.
This post was edited on 7/2 at 4:24 am
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both contracts will likely be very tradable (AA and Asik), so i don't think it's a big deal.
Not so sure.
Many bitch about Asik in the GS series. Ajinca can score some, but is just as much of a liability v small ball. He was invisible in that series too.
ETA: The Kings had to give up a ton to dump not unreasonable contracts for meh players.
It's not even the $ for me. I just don't see the wisdom in locking up both guys for this long. Maybe Ajinca can be trade filler, but I don't see a big market for either guy.
And, from reading other comments, I still don't see why people think Evans is desirable across the league. His contract is fine, but everyone will have cap space over the next 2 years. I don't think expirings have the value they used to and I certainly think that value will drop as the cap explodes by $40M over the next 2 seasons.
This post was edited on 7/2 at 6:53 am
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by Galactic Inquisitor on 7/2/15 at 6:58 am to Epic Cajun
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Before the Ajinça and Asik deals the Pels could have gone into next off season with over 20 mil in cap space. Now, if they use the MLE (for a 2 year contract) they'll be at 15-16 mil in cap space, rather than 20+.
Cap space is only as valuable as the guy who wants to sign into it.
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18/5/5 guys don't grow on trees
So why would they want to move him? How many teams want/need a pg/creator w/ shaky shooting and defense? If you don't give him the keys to the offense, what is he bringing? If Holiday is healthy, I'm very curious to see how Evans plays/reacts.
Again, I think Pels fans overrate the value that Evans has across the league because they want to move him.
Maybe his $$ will appeal to teams, but he's just a weird player. I'd be surprised if they didn't have to add sweetener to any deal moving him out.
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I'm okay with this contract. We had to sign him, and the numbers aren't that bad going forward. He's a good piece and hopefully he can become a little better than abysmal on offense.
As for next year, we aren't getting Durant. We should just stop with that. I think the best we could do is Jeff Green or Nicolas Batum. My concern is with all the expiring contracts. It's a good thing if you can trade them and if not, it clears space. But you have to replace those guys. Not a ton of great FAs next year. We may have to make some trades, and I'm coming to the point where we get good players in trades, but we always seem to regret them or debate what if. (ie. Jrue, Gordon, Asik, etc.)
As for next year, we aren't getting Durant. We should just stop with that. I think the best we could do is Jeff Green or Nicolas Batum. My concern is with all the expiring contracts. It's a good thing if you can trade them and if not, it clears space. But you have to replace those guys. Not a ton of great FAs next year. We may have to make some trades, and I'm coming to the point where we get good players in trades, but we always seem to regret them or debate what if. (ie. Jrue, Gordon, Asik, etc.)
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by Galactic Inquisitor on 7/2/15 at 7:36 am to corndeaux
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I still don't see why people think Evans is desirable across the league. His contract is fine, but everyone will have cap space over the next 2 years
You and I agree about Tyreke's limitations, so I totally agree that he won't be desirable across the league, but I think we will have a few serious suitors for him when you consider his salary compared to the new reality of NBA money.
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I'm okay with this contract. We had to sign him, and the numbers aren't that bad going forward.
Pretty much how I feel. It isn't the discount that some were hoping/expecting ($8-$10 mil a year, which I figured would never happen), but it's pretty fair value for both sides.
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by Suntiger on 7/2/15 at 7:40 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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I think we will have a few serious suitors for him when you consider his salary compared to the new reality of NBA money.
Won't that be true of everyone who is under contract though? And I agree he has trade value. For what though, I'm not sure. But he's the only guy who wants to take a shot sometimes, so we better replace him with someone who has an offensive skill set.
Yeah. I'm fine with Evans. He's a decent player. He's on a decent deal. He's played hard for this team and performed well.
I just don't see the league wide value that will make an Evans deal as easy as some portray it. But that's me.
Next summer will be wild. Nearly everyone will have max cap space. Still think the Pels need some wing help before the summer is out. But this season should be fun.
I just don't see the league wide value that will make an Evans deal as easy as some portray it. But that's me.
Next summer will be wild. Nearly everyone will have max cap space. Still think the Pels need some wing help before the summer is out. But this season should be fun.
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by TeddyPadillac on 7/2/15 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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the MLE is for teams over the cap (so the extra salary has already been distributed) and is a pretty set standard for free agency
you need salary to acquire salary and exceptions in the NBA. being near the cap is terrible (where we'd be if we renounced asik)
the only other theoretical option would be to renounce asik and everyone else next year and try FA
of course, i doubt AD would have re-upped with us and we'd be terrible next year
Nothign in here addressed what you quoted that i said. and if we are healthy, we could have Steisma at center and win 50+ games this year. Asik isn't helping us win any more games than we should if we are healthy, except maybe against Memphis.
I'm more than aware of the MLE and what not and why we had to resign this bumbling idiot. I know we had no other choice but to resign him.
I"m just very unhappy with him getting 4 years at $12 million a year. He's not a $12 million a year center in any year, he's barely an $8. He's the worst offensive center in the league, and his effort night in night out isn't where it needs to be. He's useful against Memphis, and that's about it.
He's never going to be in games late, and once we get to the playoffs, his minutes will decrease drastically, unless we are playing Memphis. We aren't Golden State where we can afford to have millions on the bench when it matters b/c we have 3 starters making a combined $7 million on rookie deals that play like all stars.
If he wasn't on this team this year, and we signed Kevin Seraphin are Bismack Biyomba, the difference in wins/losses would be negligible. Outside of beating Memphis, nothing that he does helps us win games more than those two MLE guys at best would.
But since Asik isn't good, and everyone else knows that, we had no choice to resign him so we could keep our exceptions, and we had no chance at S&T b/c no one wants him, at least not enough to give us anything worth a shite back.
Now we have about $4-5 million less to spend next year b/c we overpaid this goon.
The fact that this idiot just got $48 million guaranteed to him should make NFL players throw up.
All that being said, if he would just play with more effort, and get after it more, i'd be somewhat happy with him going forward, and i hope that's what happens. I know he can play better than he did last year. I don't expect him to catch every ball, but he needs to quit being a girl and go up with authority and dunk the damn ball. Quit letting little guys out jump him for rebounds. I have confidence he can play better b/c all he needs to do is play with more effort. He plays like he did last year, we will be stuck with his shitty contract for a while.
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by THRILLHO on 7/2/15 at 8:00 am to TeddyPadillac
Pretty much everything you just said is bullshite.
We could have used the exceptions even if we let him walk.
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we had no choice to resign him so we could keep our exceptions
We could have used the exceptions even if we let him walk.
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by corndeaux on 7/2/15 at 8:03 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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we will have a few serious suitors for him when you consider his salary compared to the new reality of NBA money.
Could very easily be right. My craw was stuck with the idea that they can snap their fingers and move Evans to get cap space to then land Durant/max guy next summer.
I just wonder how much value an expiring has when everyone will have space and almost everyone has max space.
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by TeddyPadillac on 7/2/15 at 8:12 am to THRILLHO
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We could have used the exceptions even if we let him walk.
How so? I thought you had to be over the cap to be able to use them? letting him walk would have put us under, right?
re: Asik signs 5 year deal for $60 million, 5 year not guaranteedPosted by geauxtigers87 on 7/2/15 at 8:13 am to corndeaux
Well this thread went from full retard to logical. Congrats guys. It's a solid contract moving forward. Asik will improve with this coaching staff.
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