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Alvin Gentry on Duncan and Holder: Rondo starting PG, Jrue starting SG
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:08 am
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now that it's done, ready to see if it pays off. i can see a world where their minutes are staggered so one of them is on the floor at all times. at least you'll have a PG on the floor.
now that it's done, ready to see if it pays off. i can see a world where their minutes are staggered so one of them is on the floor at all times. at least you'll have a PG on the floor.
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:13 am to LSU Fan 90812
This might not work unless we have 2 knockodown shooters. We don't have any- Crawford has yet to prove he can be that guy on an every night basis. Is that why we drafted Jackson? Maybe. Can't count on 3 pointers from Rondo, Jrue, Boogie, AD- yes they will make 3s but they aren't at all considered 3 point shooters.
Priority #1 right now has to be replacing Hill in the starting lineup with a legit shooter. Not Darius Miller, not James Young. Common Dell you know this.
Priority #1 right now has to be replacing Hill in the starting lineup with a legit shooter. Not Darius Miller, not James Young. Common Dell you know this.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:23 am to MrPel
Everything is hinging on how well Cousins and Davis play together. If they can mesh and compliment each other, then most of these ancillary pieces aren't going to matter as much. I'm in the camp that its not going to work, but I hope I'm wrong.
I just think that both work best in the post and would work better with a small, quick, active PF with range and anger that doesn't require many touches (Taj Gibson, Faried, Milsaps, etc..). One of their games is going to suffer and they will have to take a step back. Its a statistical certainty right now. I'm not sure if either's ego can take that..
I just think that both work best in the post and would work better with a small, quick, active PF with range and anger that doesn't require many touches (Taj Gibson, Faried, Milsaps, etc..). One of their games is going to suffer and they will have to take a step back. Its a statistical certainty right now. I'm not sure if either's ego can take that..
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:27 am to MrPel
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Common Dell you know this.
If he knew this he wouldn't have given Hill $50 million. But especially as teams start shifting to Small Ball I think it may not matter that Cousins has to beat 3 defenders in the paint. If you get him the ball in the paint he'll score, and AD will be there on the weak side to either get the board or be a release valve. They key is going to be to actually use the size and skill advantage down low instead of having both AD/DC floating around the perimeter.
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I just think that both work best in the post and would work better with a small, quick, active PF with range and anger that doesn't require many touches (Taj Gibson, Faried, Milsaps, etc..). One of their games is going to suffer and they will have to take a step back. Its a statistical certainty right now. I'm not sure if either's ego can take that.
They both were able to do 24+/10+ after the trade, so I don't think it is true that they have to sacrifice much. They do need to keep staggering them though so each has his chance to get his own.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:29 am to MrPel
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Priority #1 right now has to be replacing Hill in the starting lineup with a legit shooter. Not Darius Miller, not James Young. Common Dell you know this.
That is not happening. Hill is the starting SF. He is widely credited as being the key to the defensive improvements and a lockerroom leader. Him and AD have supposedly been working on nothing but perimeter shooting and ball handling all summer.
They think Darius Miller will surprise some people, but mostly they expect internal improvement in perimeter shooting from Hill and Cousins as well as Jrue to become more of a knockdown shooter playing off the ball.
ETA - Kushner just posted Jrue stats post Cousins at SG:
10 SG starts: 14.8ppg, 44% FG, 40% 3pt, 7.5 ast, 1.7 TO
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:29 am to MrPel
the one thing i'm liking is that rondo is good at moving without the ball and boogie is a pretty good passer from the post. if we have the right spacing i could see it working in theory.
but they need someone knockdown at the 3. they're a 3 point shooter away from real spacing.
i could see going small with etwaun at the 3 and relying on boogie and AD to clean up the boards and guard the paint.
but they need someone knockdown at the 3. they're a 3 point shooter away from real spacing.
i could see going small with etwaun at the 3 and relying on boogie and AD to clean up the boards and guard the paint.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:33 am to TigerinATL
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But especially as teams start shifting to Small Ball I think it may not matter that Cousins has to beat 3 defenders in the paint. If you get him the ball in the paint he'll score, and AD will be there on the weak side to either get the board or be a release valve
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Boogie a pretty solid passer for a big man? If teams are doubling or tripling down on him someone will be open. All the talk is about three point shooting, but if 3/5 defenders are in the paint, the other 4 players just need to be able to hit 15-18 footers. If we can't shoot >45% inside the arc, might as well pack it in now.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:37 am to TigerinATL
24/10 is a step down for both and alternating turns to get numbers might not be the best idea for the team (ride the hot hand). Both were hurt and missed time after the trade. So its hard to predict what might happen. Its just really rare for this to work and never under these circumstances (mid 20s vets, insane numbers)..
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:38 am to LSU Fan 90812
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They think Darius Miller will surprise some people
i could see going small with etwaun at the 3
IF Darius Miller's 3 point shot is legit now, I think he can bring what QPon brought. The 3 point line and defense is a little different, but he hit 41% on 5 3s a game in just 27 minutes. If that translates at all he's as good as anyone one we could have picked up on the FA market and he'll be on a minimum deal.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:41 am to brmark70816
quote:No shite, both AD and Cousins were the number 1 options before joining forces. Of course you're going to see a decrease in stats for both. Come on bmark you can't be this dumb...
24/10 is a step down for both
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:45 am to brmark70816
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alternating turns to get numbers might not be the best idea for the team (ride the hot hand).
I completely disagree with this. Did you get to watch many games post trade? I liked the rotations Gentry had a lot. You basically had 3 groups, a balanced Starting/Finishing 5, Jrue/AD defense first Small Ball, and then Crawford/Cousins lighting up the other team's bench unit. I think they should stick with that basic plan. It's hard for other teams to match up and you never take your foot off the gas.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:54 am to LSU Fan 90812
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"(Starting Rondo and Holiday) is the idea right now," Gentry said. "I like Jrue off the ball to start the game as a scorer. I like Rondo being on the floor as a leader. Obviously, Jrue is going to play some when he's the primary ball handler.
..."Obviously he has championship pedigree, but he's such a leader," Gentry said. "He has the ability to find guys and make easy baskets for certain players...I think he doesn't mind telling teammates where to be and where they should go. I think it's something that we needed.
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Regarding that last bit about Rondo telling teammates what to do, one of the TBW guys pointed out this play highlight on twitter where Rondo, who is notorious for his film work, knows exactly what play Atlanta is going to run and he sends Boogie to what appears like the middle of nowhere to guard nobody, but it's exactly where Atlanta wants to inbound the ball and because Boogie is there the play is blown up.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:58 am to TigerinATL
I meant that if one is really hot and having a monster game, reeling him in so that the other gets his opportunities. I wasn't refering to the game plan as a whole..
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:00 pm to tgr4ever
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No shite, both AD and Cousins were the number 1 options before joining forces. Of course you're going to see a decrease in stats for both. Come on bmark you can't be this dumb...
Yea, lol. What is he talking about?
2015
KD 28 PPG
Curry 30 PPG
2016
KD 25
Curry 25
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
I think the 3 highest minutes 5 man rotations will be:
Rondo/Jrue/Hill/AD/Cousins
Jrue/Moore/Hill/Cunningham/AD
Rondo/Moore/Miller or Crawford/Cunningham/Cousins
That presents 3 very different schemes with pretty stout defense in the starting/finishing lineup with all sorts of offensive wrinkles, Jrue pushing the pace on the small ball lineup and then Rondo/Boogie doing their thing against bench units flanked by our "best" bench shooters.
Rondo/Jrue/Hill/AD/Cousins
Jrue/Moore/Hill/Cunningham/AD
Rondo/Moore/Miller or Crawford/Cunningham/Cousins
That presents 3 very different schemes with pretty stout defense in the starting/finishing lineup with all sorts of offensive wrinkles, Jrue pushing the pace on the small ball lineup and then Rondo/Boogie doing their thing against bench units flanked by our "best" bench shooters.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:10 pm to TigerinATL
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knows exactly what play Atlanta is going to run and he sends Boogie to what appears like the middle of nowhere to guard nobody, but it's exactly where Atlanta wants to inbound the ball and because Boogie is there the play is blown up.
That gave me a chub. thanks.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:22 pm to LSU Fan 90812
No one should be surprised by this. Is it ideal? Of course not, but he's an NBA vet with a lot of experience. But remember the "starting lineup" almost means nothing. What will be interesting is how Gentry rotates everyone.
For example, in our second unit, I think Rondo will actually be better with Crawford, Moore, Cousins, and either Qpon or Cunningham (if we resign him). I think he and Cousins could take over while Jrue, AD, and Solo rest.
Or if we wanted to go "really" small ball, we could go Rondo, Jrue, Moore, Solo, AD.
How about the best "Finch" lineup? Jrue, Moore, Crawford (preferably Qpon), AD, Boogie
I think we are going to run a combination of offenses next season. Some of what we did last year with Gentry, a lot of Finch's offense, and somewhat catering to Rondo's style of creating offense by being the primary ball handler. Having a lot of players that can slide into different positions will make us fun to watch.
For example, in our second unit, I think Rondo will actually be better with Crawford, Moore, Cousins, and either Qpon or Cunningham (if we resign him). I think he and Cousins could take over while Jrue, AD, and Solo rest.
Or if we wanted to go "really" small ball, we could go Rondo, Jrue, Moore, Solo, AD.
How about the best "Finch" lineup? Jrue, Moore, Crawford (preferably Qpon), AD, Boogie
I think we are going to run a combination of offenses next season. Some of what we did last year with Gentry, a lot of Finch's offense, and somewhat catering to Rondo's style of creating offense by being the primary ball handler. Having a lot of players that can slide into different positions will make us fun to watch.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:29 pm to LSU Fan 90812
This has a good chance of working out. With Rondo being the primary Ball handler, you get Holiday as your spacer. But Holiday must prove that he can shoot a high percentage from outside while maintaining volume for the space to be sufficient.
It's Better than having Holiday as the primary ball handler which destroys the spacing with Rondo on the court.
Hill has to be multi-dimensional as a competent shooter and a strong backside threat as both a passer and a finisher. He will need to finish better in the paint as teams will likely give him this option because of his mediocre finishing ability in the paint.
I think we will see a much more effective offense out of time outs and half court sets. I think the magic will be in transition with Rondo at the point.
Davis and Cousins should be giddy at the opportunities they'll get when Rondo breaks down defenses.
It's Better than having Holiday as the primary ball handler which destroys the spacing with Rondo on the court.
Hill has to be multi-dimensional as a competent shooter and a strong backside threat as both a passer and a finisher. He will need to finish better in the paint as teams will likely give him this option because of his mediocre finishing ability in the paint.
I think we will see a much more effective offense out of time outs and half court sets. I think the magic will be in transition with Rondo at the point.
Davis and Cousins should be giddy at the opportunities they'll get when Rondo breaks down defenses.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:43 pm to NOFOX
not sure you can play 3 different schemes w/o it being a disaster. they'll have different looks, but there have to be common principles on both offense and defense for all 48 minutes.
definitely think they need to go w/ Jrue+Davis and Rondo+Boogie stagger/bench anchors.
definitely think they need to go w/ Jrue+Davis and Rondo+Boogie stagger/bench anchors.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:52 pm to lionward2014
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Boogie a pretty solid passer for a big man?
He is. But should trade in some of the bad shots he forces for passes. He really is the key to this team's success. Him buying in and playing a team game is everything
This isn't about AD, he's a true elite player that gets it
Holiday playing off ball isn't an issue
Rondo will be as good as his teammates
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