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Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:42 am to TDcline
I'm really just seeing a lot of "well, not really but we consider him anyway because he was so innovative".
That's not really the question i'm asking. I know he was innovative, took risks, sounded different... But I don't think he was the most talented or gifted guitarist the way he's made out to be. Just a lot of "let's worship Hendrix because we are supposed to".
That's not really the question i'm asking. I know he was innovative, took risks, sounded different... But I don't think he was the most talented or gifted guitarist the way he's made out to be. Just a lot of "let's worship Hendrix because we are supposed to".
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:43 am to Chitter Chatter
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Hendrix thought this guy was the better than himself.
The reported quote, according to Walt who was the recipient:
"Walt, the horns are like one set of lungs. And your guitar player is better than me."
And Hendrix, although not a prima donna by any stretch, was not modest about his talent either. So, he was probably sincerely impressed and not just being polite.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:51 am to TDcline
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That's not really the question i'm asking. I know he was innovative, took risks, sounded different... But I don't think he was the most talented or gifted guitarist the way he's made out to be. Just a lot of "let's worship Hendrix because we are supposed to".
He did more with less. He died before he probably peaked. SRV did things more pleasing to my ear and benefitted from tones Hendrix did not have access to. SRV also made it to his 30's. He got another decade to get better.
Boils down to what you think is better. People who perfected a style or the guy who created the style?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:51 am to TDcline
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I know he was innovative, took risks, sounded different...
Yeah - rock and freakin' roll, baby.
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But I don't think he was the most talented or gifted guitarist the way he's made out to be.
It's blasphemy for some to suggest that Hendrix, Page and Townsend were not necessarily at the top of their craft in technical ability. Setting aside for a second that rock and roll is more about feel, vibe and emotion, with talent being a secondary (although not unimportant) concern - I mean, I think Scotty Moore (RIP) was pretty talented for his day AND had a unique sound to boot. Ditto for Chuck Berry.
But, the absolute best technicians were often in bands that did not sell the most records. Look how long it was before Roy Buchanan got any real public praise. Hell, he's been dead almost 30 years and most haven't heard of him. Terry Kath - everybody knows Chicago - few know Terry Kath's name. Lots of folks remember Duane Allman (who was fantastic) - but few can name the lead guitarist of The Kinks (the lesser known Davies, Dave is criminally underrated as a guitar player).
So, fame and recognition are fickle beasts at best, downright arbitrary in this crazy world we call rock and roll.
Hendrix covered All Along the Watchtower so well - it influenced the way the songwriter performed it live thereafter. Hendrix got a copy of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and learned to play the title track by ear so he could perform it for The Beatles (as a surprise) before they ever performed it live.
Those kinds of nuggets and the number of songs we still play today are evidence of his legacy as a GOAT candidate lead electric rock guitarist. His technical ability (hell, Yngvie may be the best technical rock 6-string player EVER, but he's boring as hell to me) is, more or less, irrelevant to that honorific.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 12:39 pm to TDcline
Randy Rhoads was alive and walking the earth at the time, so no..he wasn't the best.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 12:52 pm to TDcline
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And is he really worthy of being considered one of or THE best guitarists of all time? I've always thought Pages' guitar playing was better.
Hendrix sound was more important to the music scene than his technical ability. There were plenty of players that were better technically
Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:42 pm to TDcline
Listen to Johnny Winter.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 2:00 pm to SEClint
quote:So we've reached the "List Your Favorite Guitarist" phase of the thread? A bit ahead of schedule, but I'll allow it.
Randy Rhoads was alive and walking the earth at the time, so no..he wasn't the best
Posted on 1/23/17 at 2:03 pm to Kafka
quote:Randy isn't my favorite. Jon Nödtveidt is/was, followed closely by Diamond Darrell.
So we've reached the "List Your Favorite Guitarist" phase of the thread?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 2:05 pm to SEClint
quote:and now you've mentioned them too!
Randy isn't my favorite. Jon Nödtveidt is/was, followed closely by Diamond Darrel
:jump1: :jump2:
Posted on 1/23/17 at 2:38 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I never heard of anyone claiming Pete Townshend was at the top of guitarists in technical ability
It's blasphemy for some to suggest that Hendrix, Page and Townsend were not necessarily at the top of their craft in technical ability
Posted on 1/23/17 at 2:55 pm to TDcline
aside from a few solos, his lead playing does little for me.
but he's definitely one of the best rhythm guitarist of all time. he was imaginative & innovative.
the style he played isn't easy. to do that while singing is even more impressive.
he's one of a handful that have changed the way players approached the instrument & remains one of the most influential ever.
but he's definitely one of the best rhythm guitarist of all time. he was imaginative & innovative.
the style he played isn't easy. to do that while singing is even more impressive.
he's one of a handful that have changed the way players approached the instrument & remains one of the most influential ever.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:29 pm to Kafka
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Diamond Darrel
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:33 pm to Lakeboy7
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Clapton and Pete Townsend said JH was the best. Nice endorsement
all musicians from the 60's and 70's agreed that Clapton BY FAR was the best guitarist of his time.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:43 pm to TDcline
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I know he was innovative, took risks, sounded different... But I don't think he was the most talented or gifted guitarist the way he's made out to be. Just a lot of "let's worship Hendrix because we are supposed to".
I feel like people that say stuff like this have never heard Band of Gypsies. Go listen to Band of Gypsies.
I will argue that Machine Gun is the best live performance by any human being ever captured on tape.
Hendrix was from another planet.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:44 pm to oldcharlie8
quote:Actually Clapton himself has said Beck was better
all musicians from the 60's and 70's agreed that Clapton BY FAR was the best guitarist of his time
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:46 pm to TDcline
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Was Hendrix really the best guitarist of his day?
Absolutely. Next question.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:49 pm to Kafka
If you want to talk about technical ability then you would want to find specialists like Steve Vai who aren't particularly known for the music they create but can physically do things that very few others can. Someone like Hendrix or Clapton or pretty much anyone that people are likely to know about in the mainstream are going to be known more for the ability to actually make music.
Eta: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that "best" is a very nebulous thing. People might try to bring up technical ability and while Hendrix definitely had it better than many, I don't think technical ability is actually all that important when people are talking about these things. There's innovation which is a little more qualitatively measured, and then there's who actually makes songs that you like which is a lot more subjective.
Eta: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that "best" is a very nebulous thing. People might try to bring up technical ability and while Hendrix definitely had it better than many, I don't think technical ability is actually all that important when people are talking about these things. There's innovation which is a little more qualitatively measured, and then there's who actually makes songs that you like which is a lot more subjective.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:50 pm to Kafka
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Actually Clapton himself has said Beck was better
And both said Hendrix was better but that said, I still prefer Beck.
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