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The Beatles and Buddy Holly
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:47 pm
Is he the real father of rock n' roll?
It seems Elvis was studio guy, who couldn't really play. And you have interviews from the Beatles and the Rolling Stones saying that Buddy Holly was the only guy we copied because we knew he was the real deal.
The Beatles say in interviews that Buddy didn't just fake strum guitar like Elvis...that we watched him closely to see if he could really hit the right chords and he was creating his own music.
It seems the Brits...Beatles and Stones (who both covered Holly songs) thought he was the man...and they did have a slight disdain for the dandys...
They were impressed that Holly actually played and sung and wrote his own songs...
He wasn't Elvis so to speak.
The Beatles even took their name from the Crickets.
I watched two docs and the Beatles seem to think - while Elvis could sing great - they really didn't have a lot of respect for him. They didn't think he was a real musician and just a typical Hollywood plant.
I mean, Paul said..."Buddy was a real guy who could actually play, he wasn't that Elvis thing."
He said him and John went back to their homes and would just try to recreate Buddy Holly songs...and he said...
"Love me Do" was just basically a copy of a Buddy Holly song, same chords.
It seems Elvis was studio guy, who couldn't really play. And you have interviews from the Beatles and the Rolling Stones saying that Buddy Holly was the only guy we copied because we knew he was the real deal.
The Beatles say in interviews that Buddy didn't just fake strum guitar like Elvis...that we watched him closely to see if he could really hit the right chords and he was creating his own music.
It seems the Brits...Beatles and Stones (who both covered Holly songs) thought he was the man...and they did have a slight disdain for the dandys...
They were impressed that Holly actually played and sung and wrote his own songs...
He wasn't Elvis so to speak.
The Beatles even took their name from the Crickets.
I watched two docs and the Beatles seem to think - while Elvis could sing great - they really didn't have a lot of respect for him. They didn't think he was a real musician and just a typical Hollywood plant.
I mean, Paul said..."Buddy was a real guy who could actually play, he wasn't that Elvis thing."
He said him and John went back to their homes and would just try to recreate Buddy Holly songs...and he said...
"Love me Do" was just basically a copy of a Buddy Holly song, same chords.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 11:49 pm
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:05 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:so did chuck berry
Holly actually played and sung and wrote his own songs
Posted on 7/21/16 at 5:02 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Is he the real father of rock n' roll?
Yes
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:19 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
He could've overshadowed a lot of folks if he had not died so young
Posted on 7/21/16 at 8:36 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry were the real deal. But it would be a mistake to underestimate Elvis' talent.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 8:42 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Well Buddy Holly and the Crickets were in a sense the first "rock band."
Posted on 7/21/16 at 9:06 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Were you high when you wrote this?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 7:46 pm to MidnightVibe
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real father of rock 'n roll
Probably J.S. Bach
Posted on 7/26/16 at 8:02 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Is he the real father of rock n' roll?
No. It's either Chuck Berry or Little Richard.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 8:11 pm to saint amant steve
Posted on 7/26/16 at 8:52 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I agree with most of this but like said, don't underestimate Elvis. No his guitar playing wasn't great at all but it was an essential part to those early recordings. Of course Scotty stands out on electric but Elvis provided with good rhythm with Bill and later Fontana.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:33 am to Chitter Chatter
Marty McFly
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:56 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Well the Beatles first record was a cover of Holly's That'll be the Day..
They then covered half of Holly songs including their big hit Words of Love.
Paul McCartney continued to play Buddy songs on his tours in the 80s.
The Rolling Stones first big hit was Not Fade Away.
They all copied him and still to this day they pay homage. But not to Elvis.
The British invasion and the birth of modern rock n' roll was started by Buddy Holly.
Paul and John have some interesting videos about Buddy on YouTube.
They then covered half of Holly songs including their big hit Words of Love.
Paul McCartney continued to play Buddy songs on his tours in the 80s.
The Rolling Stones first big hit was Not Fade Away.
They all copied him and still to this day they pay homage. But not to Elvis.
The British invasion and the birth of modern rock n' roll was started by Buddy Holly.
Paul and John have some interesting videos about Buddy on YouTube.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:55 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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They all copied him and still to this day they pay homage. But not to Elvis.
I love Buddy, but he could be copied.
Nobody had the vocal chops and stage presence to put themselves in direct comparison to early Elvis.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 4:58 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
No.
Lots of guys can claim they are the fathers of RnR (Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, etc...)
...But Elvis had the right combination of voice, looks, and showmanship that not only appealed to white & black audiences, but to the whole world. That's why he is the King and will always be. Because of Elvis' contributions RnR effectively killed the Jazz era in one fell swoop. Holly and others had significant influence on other later important artists, but Elvis popularized the genre to a global level.
Much like Louis Armstrong brought Jazz to the world and killed ragtime/minstrel/classical music all at once. Sure Buddy Bolden, King Oliver, Jellyroll Morton, etc... can claim they were the real father's of Jazz, but Satchmo brought it to the world.
Lots of guys can claim they are the fathers of RnR (Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, etc...)
...But Elvis had the right combination of voice, looks, and showmanship that not only appealed to white & black audiences, but to the whole world. That's why he is the King and will always be. Because of Elvis' contributions RnR effectively killed the Jazz era in one fell swoop. Holly and others had significant influence on other later important artists, but Elvis popularized the genre to a global level.
Much like Louis Armstrong brought Jazz to the world and killed ragtime/minstrel/classical music all at once. Sure Buddy Bolden, King Oliver, Jellyroll Morton, etc... can claim they were the real father's of Jazz, but Satchmo brought it to the world.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 9:42 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I love playing Buddy Holly songs on the acoustic.
Simple Chord structures but arranged in an appealing manner.
Simple Chord structures but arranged in an appealing manner.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 3:26 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The Fat Man ! Fats Domino came before all of them.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 3:39 am to tidalmouse
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I love playing Buddy Holly songs on the acoustic.
Simple Chord structures but arranged in an appealing manner.
The Stones said they played Holly...
"Because it just works."
Posted on 7/31/16 at 3:43 am to tidalmouse
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I love playing Buddy Holly songs on the acoustic.
Simple Chord structures but arranged in an appealing manner
But they admitted nobody could do the Buddy hiccup.
People say Buddy could be copied but Elvis couldn't...but listen to Buddy's originals and his copies...I don't think it's close in favor of the man who wrote those songs.
Elvis wasn't a band writing their own songs like the Crickets.
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 3:46 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 5:53 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The Stones said they played Holly... "Because it just works."
It's true."It's So Easy" is basically 3 Chords.E,A,and D.
The arrangement makes it a great Song."It just works".
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