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re: Is Mark Tremonti the king of modern day hard rock and metal
Posted on 7/3/15 at 6:16 pm to FourThreeForty
Posted on 7/3/15 at 6:16 pm to FourThreeForty
Tremonti is not really even that good.
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Posted on 7/3/15 at 10:04 pm to FourThreeForty
lolnotevenclose
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 7/3/15 at 10:07 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Tremonti is not really even that good.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:41 am to Marciano1
He's really not.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:22 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
Care to explain what makes him "not good?" Curious.
Do you think the Green Day, Good Charlotte and Nirvana guitarists are better?
Do you think the Green Day, Good Charlotte and Nirvana guitarists are better?
Posted on 7/4/15 at 10:17 am to rompus
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Zakk Wylde says hello...
THIS.....ALL DAY. Zakk will crush any type guitar and any genre. Dude can go from classical to speed metal to spanish style, then sit at the piano and write a masterpiece!
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:26 pm to metallica81788
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Care to explain what makes him "not good?" Curious.
No he can't, because people spew dumb shite like this about Tremonti because of their disdain for Creed which was caused by Scott Stapp. Tremonti is talented as hell from his guitar work to his song writing.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:20 pm to harmonics
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quote: No he can't, because people spew dumb shite like this about Tremonti because of their disdain for Creed which was caused by Scott Stapp. Tremonti is talented as hell from his guitar work to his song writing.
Regardless of Stapp's douche status, I actually liked some of Creed's work. I'll take your handle as an indicator that you play, as do I. I have never been enamored with Tremonti; I feel as though the praise he gets is less for ability and more for the absence of sample. I have no problem giving credit where credit is due, regardless the benefactor. I also have no problem scoffing at generic overrated and tired repetition.
Eta: Maybe you could suggest a few of his better works so that I might be converted?
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:23 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
Well I won't throw a huge arsenal of songs at you, plus I don't know what you consider good music. I just don't get you saying He isn't good, without providing any substance.
Just listen to the first four songs of Alter Bridges Blackbird album and you will get a great feel of Tremontis ability.
Just listen to the first four songs of Alter Bridges Blackbird album and you will get a great feel of Tremontis ability.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:59 pm to harmonics
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Well I won't throw a huge arsenal of songs at you, plus I don't know what you consider good music. I just don't get you saying He isn't good, without providing any substance. Just listen to the first four songs of Alter Bridges Blackbird album and you will get a great feel of Tremontis ability.
Agreed. From the driving riffage of Ties that Bind, White Knuckle and Come to Life to the soulfulness of Blackbird (both in fingerpicking main melody and solo), that album is very representative of his stylist range and talent. If he can't appreciate his ability there this guy must just be very condescending as a musician and I don't know what to tell him. ABIII also has some great riffs and solos throughout.
My only grip with him is his tendency to revert to the B A G B type of progression but most musicians do something like this after a while.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:17 pm to metallica81788
What is the tuning of most of the AB3 album? Just about every riff in that album made me wanna kill myself. 
Posted on 7/4/15 at 10:52 pm to metallica81788
Being a half assed guitarist myself, I can respect Tremonti for his talent. The guy has chops. Myles as well.
Problem is, they write generic cookie cutter songs with boring arse chord progressions. They both have the talent to do more...they just need to learn how to write memorable riffs.
Just to make sure not to do these guys a disservice, I listened through two albums on Youtube.
I felt like I had been brainwashed. Amazing musicianship but totally lacking in substance. If I listen to your album and can't go away humming one of your riffs, then you have an issue.
I mean, I can hear some stupid arse jingle on a commercial and hum it all damn day but after listening to two AB albums, all I can remember is Myles excessive overuse of reverb/delay on all his vocals. Totally not necessary, the guy has pipes, why the hell does he see the need to use effects on his voice at all?
Maybe Slash will wear off on Myles and he will learn how to make a catchy song or write a riff I might remember for longer than 30 seconds...
This.. in almost every damn song.
Problem is, they write generic cookie cutter songs with boring arse chord progressions. They both have the talent to do more...they just need to learn how to write memorable riffs.
Just to make sure not to do these guys a disservice, I listened through two albums on Youtube.
I felt like I had been brainwashed. Amazing musicianship but totally lacking in substance. If I listen to your album and can't go away humming one of your riffs, then you have an issue.
I mean, I can hear some stupid arse jingle on a commercial and hum it all damn day but after listening to two AB albums, all I can remember is Myles excessive overuse of reverb/delay on all his vocals. Totally not necessary, the guy has pipes, why the hell does he see the need to use effects on his voice at all?
Maybe Slash will wear off on Myles and he will learn how to make a catchy song or write a riff I might remember for longer than 30 seconds...
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tendency to revert to the B A G B type of progression
This.. in almost every damn song.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:46 pm to rompus
Which Albums did you listen to? One Day Remains is by far their weakest album and sounds like what you mentioned above. I still like it, but it is not nearly as dynamic as Blackbird and Fortress, which are their best 2 in my opinion. AB III is better than ODR but not as good as the other two.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:54 pm to rompus
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I felt like I had been brainwashed. Amazing musicianship but totally lacking in substance.
I agree. I gave some of his stuff a whirl after this thread and just found it so boring.
I can't really get behind Zakk Wylde either. I am still a fan, and he has some awesome material, but he's got a lot of uninspired stuff as well. Plus I feel like he's gotten lazy or something recently. He just shreds the pentatonic scale up and down in every damn solo it seems. Also, the whole beer, muscles, skulls, and chains thing is pretty douchey.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:09 am to harmonics
Fortress and Blackbird. Listened to some of One Day Remains too.
It's like you could cut and paste the chorus breakdown from any song into any other song. Same shite over and over and over again. Its that top 40 rock anthem chorus thing that every band does these days.
All these newer bands seriously need to spend some quality time with Tony Iommi so they can learn to write a damn riff.
It's like you could cut and paste the chorus breakdown from any song into any other song. Same shite over and over and over again. Its that top 40 rock anthem chorus thing that every band does these days.
All these newer bands seriously need to spend some quality time with Tony Iommi so they can learn to write a damn riff.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:34 am to rompus
Well if you listened to Blackbird and Fortress and were bored, then I guess that is that.
Yes Tony Iommi is a fricking legend.
Yes Tony Iommi is a fricking legend.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:29 am to harmonics
You can tell Alterbridhe does have tendencies. I can't recall and Alterbridge song that wasn't talking about "you."
That and the fact that Myles LOVES using any words that end with an "I" sound. Justify, cry, etc.
I think though, that you can see their creativity on their side projects a bit more. Myles jazz background really comes out when he's playing with Slash and his band. IMO, that's what GNR should've sounded like back in the day. Myles blows Axl out of the water.
That and the fact that Myles LOVES using any words that end with an "I" sound. Justify, cry, etc.
I think though, that you can see their creativity on their side projects a bit more. Myles jazz background really comes out when he's playing with Slash and his band. IMO, that's what GNR should've sounded like back in the day. Myles blows Axl out of the water.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:49 am to RabidTiger
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I can't really get behind Zakk Wylde either
I agree. I just threw his name out because he has 10x the body of work of Tremonti. I like Zakk, but I have to take his music in small doses as well.
I'm not sure there is any band that can claim that throne.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 3:08 pm to FourThreeForty
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You can tell Alterbridhe does have tendencies.
Absolutely. The weakest aspect of their writing IMO has always been the chorus. Kind of what Rompus and Metallica touched on, they have a lot of songs that have solid verses and are heading in the right direction, then when the chorus hits it is underwhelming. Good solos and bridges though.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 5:59 pm to harmonics
Guess I'm in the minority, but I'm unimpressed. Different strokes.
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