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Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:03 pm to Ldrake53
Duane was great with the Allman Brothers was great but his best work was as a session musician. You can see it in the Muscle Shoals documentary, particularly in the Wilson Pickett cover of Hey Jude. Or in Layla. Great stuff.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:33 pm to HempHead
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Correct, for the Eat a Peach version. But you can find renditions with Duane playing. I think there is an actual studio one with the outfit that just Gregg and Duane were in together
if the OP heard it on the radio then it was most definitely the posthumous version, so if one were to ascribe genius to the guitar playing on "Melissa" then one would be paying homage to dickey betts, who is most definitely a musical genius worthy of this thread
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:47 pm to Ldrake53
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Is it hyperbole to call D. Allman a genius?
No.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:05 pm to AlxTgr
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Melissa is the only song with Greg's vocals I can stand.
Seriously ? Gregg is one of the greatest rock & roll vocalists of all time.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:59 am to OldTigahFot
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Gregg is one of the greatest rock & roll vocalists of all time.
yes he is...but man I watched him at that Skynyrd appreciation concert at the Fox in Atlanta...he is looking bad man...like real bad...I wouldnt be surprised if we lost Gregg soon
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:35 pm to SthGADawg
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:48 pm to HempHead
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I'm not calling Dickey a slouch by any stretch of the imagination. They both had very distinctive tones and licks when playing lead, I just prefer Duane's style a good bit more.
I will say, in Dickey's defense, when Duane died, he TAUGHT HIMSELF how to play slide guitar like Duane, so he could cover that part of the upcoming recording sessions and, if necessary, some live bits.
If that isn't genius (on Dickey's part), it will do until genius comes along.
But, Duane impressed novice guitar players like Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix, so that may have just been hype.
I remember seeing something on Derek and the Dominoes, and there was an engineer who had also worked for the ABB. He said something to the effect of:
"Eric came in with these ideas that Layla, and these other songs, was going to be raw, like a live vibe that the old blues masters captured on their recordings. So, he and Duane plugged in, we started recording and they just jammed a lot. Duane must have bought into it because there is a great vibe on the record. It was an alien experience to me, though, because I was unaccustomed to hearing Duane play even a single note wrong, before that."
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:05 pm to Ldrake53
I find it funny you chose Melissa in a Duane discussion.
All in all, Dickey was the stronger component to the band. It drives me nuts when Rolling Stones comes out with lists for greatest songwriters of all time, and ABB (Greg/Duane) comes up. Dickey wrote the ABB's best songs
All in all, Dickey was the stronger component to the band. It drives me nuts when Rolling Stones comes out with lists for greatest songwriters of all time, and ABB (Greg/Duane) comes up. Dickey wrote the ABB's best songs
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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Duane impressed novice guitar players like Eric Clapton
Why Does Love Got to be So Sad
How can you not be impressed by this? My God. Gordon and Radle tear it the frick up too. The rhythm section in D&D is underrated.
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All in all, Dickey was the stronger component to the band. It drives me nuts when Rolling Stones comes out with lists for greatest songwriters of all time, and ABB (Greg/Duane) comes up. Dickey wrote the ABB's best songs
As a songwriter and arranger? Absolutely. As a leader? No.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:11 pm to AUGDawg
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I find it funny you chose Melissa in a Duane discussion.
A dead legend is unassailable - he will always be immortal and beyond critique. In Skydog's case - he was a brilliant slide guitar player - and the proof of this is, he changed the way slide guitar was played, at least in rock and roll.
Again, may not be genius, but it will do until genius comes along. His death, at such a young age, at his peak, probably, solidified his place in the pantheon of guitar legends.
His overshadowing of the other members of the ABB is understandable, but should not detract from Dickey Betts' status a legendary guitarist, as well. After all, Dickey (of course after Duane was gone) could play his parts AND Duane's - I'm not sure Duane could have played Dickey's parts.
Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:12 pm to Ace Midnight
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I will say, in Dickey's defense, when Duane died, he TAUGHT HIMSELF how to play slide guitar like Duane,
Forgot to add:
IN ONE NIGHT
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:14 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:19 pm to HempHead
Can't argue with Dickey's leadership ability (or lack there of). It's too bad he couldn't stay sober.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:20 pm to HempHead
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The rhythm section in D&D is underrated.
Slowhand wanted so desperately to be "in a band" - and he ended up in bands that had criminally high levels of talent - but he was also a control freak and those things are often incompatible.
D&D was more of the exception to that - I have little doubt that it might have continued as a side project for both Clapton and Allman had the latter lived and the former not descended into drug addiction.
I mean, Clapton took Hendrix's death pretty badly. Allman's pushed him over the edge and he didn't recover for a decade.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:21 pm to Ace Midnight
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but he was also a control freak and those things are often incompatible.
I think Baker shares the lion's share of the blame for the breakup of Cream. For whatever reason, he and Bruce couldn't get along at all, despite having worked together for quite a while. Baker is just a crazy motherfricker.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:24 pm to HempHead
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I think Baker shares the lion's share of the blame for the breakup of Cream. For whatever reason, he and Bruce couldn't get along at all, despite having worked together for quite a while. Baker is just a crazy motherfricker.
Maybe so, but how many bands was Clapton in? How many did he form? It was a shite-ton, I can tell you that.
(D&D was the exception, though - I think he would have tried to keep that going if Duane hadn't died.)
Posted on 7/25/15 at 1:26 pm to Ace Midnight
IIRC, Clapton wanted Duane to joing D&D full-time, which Duane was willing to do...if he could bring in Gregg. Since Whitlock was already on the keys (and occasional vocals), Eric said it was a no go. Funny how life goes.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:17 pm to AUGDawg
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All in all, Dickey was the stronger component to the band. It drives me nuts when Rolling Stones comes out with lists for greatest songwriters of all time, and ABB (Greg/Duane) comes up. Dickey wrote the ABB's best songs
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:37 pm to Ldrake53
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