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re: I didn't appreciate Stone Temple Pilots enough

Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by danilo
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:15 pm to
Eddie Vedder rip off
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:45 pm to
Weiland, when he gave a shite, was the embodiment of the rock and roll frontman.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:33 pm to
Yep, STP, when Weiland was on was one hell of a show.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:06 am to
a lot of people didn't appreciate them enough.

i still think they were the best of that era. whatever you want to call it
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:09 am to
I saw Velvet revolver in concert but never STP. I'm a huge STP fan, but just never had the chance.
It's some of my go to music when I need to unwind after a rough day.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:21 am to
Lady Picture Show gets played a lot on Sirius, and I am glad.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:33 am to
No. 4 is where they jumped the shark. fricking Sour Girl.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:38 am to
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I never identified them as grunge (

Neither do I or Smashing Pumpkins.

I think Weiland is the epitome of a big rock front man when he was doing his thing though.

I pretty much can take them or leave them now. Sometimes I get a little nostalgic listening to them but I'd be ok if I never heard Intersate Love Song again.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18384 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:58 am to
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No. 4 is where they jumped the shark. fricking Sour Girl

Agree on Sour Girl but the majority of that album was real solid.

Down
No Way Out
MC5
Atlanta
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 10/8/15 at 8:58 am to
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I never really figured out what Grunge, or the "Seattle Sound" really was. Those groups were very different. I think the seriousness or darkness of some of the lyrics set it apart from other popular bands of the day. I guess to me it was more a mood or tone the music set rather than a sound.



Given the variety throughout the Seattle scene, I might be inclined to agree with this assertion. Sounds ranged from punk and hardcore to indie and alternative. However, you also found sprinkles of rock and metal here and there.

The truly successful bands (Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, and Nirvana) were the ones that obviously incorporated a greater amount of rock into their music. Though Nirvana espoused punk ethos and in some respects lamented musical virtuosity, their musicianship was light years ahead of their punk and indie peers. Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam are much more open to admitting their rock and metal roots, and it's impossible not to draw a connection between Soundgarden and early '70s hard rock bands (mostly Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath due to the epicness of the guitar sound).

However, bands like Green River, The Screaming Trees, and Mudhoney, are probably the closest thing we have to a 'grunge' sound. These bands, at least to me, represent the greatest agglomeration of musical sounds and styles from that era. They don't sound distinctly punk, rock, indie, etc.

It all depends on who you ask. Though the origin of the label grunge, which many attribute more to a description of the guitar tone rather than the total musical package, most grunge seemed to be merely the next evolutionary step for punk and indie music. It was all about the D.I.Y. attitude when it came to promotion and production. The fringe bands will always state that it was more about the music and the lyrics than the commercial success.
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81559 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:33 am to
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fricking Sour Girl.
Great song.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:37 am to
I liked Vaseline, interstate love song, big empty, creep, trippin on a hole in a paper heart, etc

Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:22 am to
Core is their best album and it ranks very high on my all time favorite albums. It certainly ranks top 5 on my favorite 1990s albums list.

Core is great top to bottom. Not one bad song. Quintessential '90s.
Posted by mark65mc
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
11273 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 10:57 am to
Dead and Bloated still is a kick arse gym song.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:12 am to
I always found stp to be meh. They pretty much ripped off soundgarden which I was not a giant fan of.

They are to grunge what poison was to metal in the 80s.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259416 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:15 am to
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However, bands like Green River, The Screaming Trees, and Mudhoney, are probably the closes thing we have to a 'grunge' sound.


Green river is the root of that tree.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259416 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:21 am to
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They are to grunge what poison was to metal in the 80s.


Nah, I don't see that at all. STP was very versatile and had some great songs. I think after a while they ran out of creativity but they had some good music with it's own distinct sound. Scott Weiland was a damn good frontman when he was on.

Still Remains is one of my favorite songs, regardless of genre.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259416 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:26 am to
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Lady Picture Show gets played a lot on Sirius, and I am glad.


Thought I was the only person in the world who liked that song...
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 11:28 am
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
20945 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 11:37 am to
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I'm still dying to see them live. They are awesome.


never gonna happen.

here's why

what a shame. love STP.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 10/8/15 at 1:09 pm to
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I never really figured out what Grunge, or the "Seattle Sound" really was.


It was Alice in Chains. They are the archetype of that sound.

But you are correct in that the big bands that made up "Seattle Sound": Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Alice in Chains all sounded different.

Soundgarden was at times almost an early 70s "Classic Rock" sounding band; although they definitely did the de-tuned "grunge" guitar tone as well. They had a stratospheric-voiced old-school rock singer with enormous range harking back to Robert Plant, Steve Tyler etc. who could have been successful in a hair band, and guitar-forward sound, rocking huge solos. "Bigger" sound than the others.

Pearl Jam is an all-around rock band. I think of the 4, and I don't mean this as a slam, they're the most just generic "rock".

Nirvana was a punk band that had a lead singer with great pop sensibility that was able to take music from a punk scene with a punk "f the world, f commercial success" ethos and make it catchy, listenable, and even anthemic. It's a punk/pop fusion more than it is "grunge". Most people don't properly realize that the scene Nirvana came out of - the other bands they were initially compared to and the fiends and idols of the band members - was barely listenable pure indie punk-rock. A lot of the flack that Nirvana got was for selling out this scene of, in my opinion, bad bands, by making music that people wanted to hear. When people criticize Nirvana as sloppy-sounding, I just laugh. Compared to their peers they were Mozart.

Alice in Chains is that pure vein of dark sludge known as grunge. The other bands in the list all had aspects of it in their sound, but AIC was the undiluted essence.
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 1:21 pm
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