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Guitar shopping. Decisions are being made... Used Fender Stratocaster....

Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:01 pm
I am slowly realizing how difficult Daphne Blue is going to be to obtain without spending 800 bucks.

I am looking at Guitar Center habitually. When I do find a Daphne Blue Strat it is a refin. One of which I have posted on here before. The refin must have been shitty because it was returned at least 3 times.

Any of you have luck with haggling with GC? One guitar is listed at $574 for instance. What offer should I hit them with? Previous purchases I just paid listed price.

I assume a refin on a guitar it not that easy?

My hunt continues.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1234 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:20 am to
GC's new prices are pretty slashed out the gate, usually at or around MAP, and you won't get too far haggling on tag prices. You may have luck, however, if it's an item that's been on the display floor for a while. Anything that hangs around more than a sales reporting quarter, they seem more willing to budge some to move it and put something fresh on that wall hook. Used gear, all depends on what they have it it but again, any item that hangs around for a while has a better shot of garnering a "get it outta here" reduction.

Refins are not cheap to execute - in addition to primer, color and clear coat paint you'll need a gravity-feed gun, a compressor, at least a makeshift ventilated spray booth and a buffer of some sort for the best results. They are time-consuming if done right. And they take practice to execute properly - if you want your home-shot daphne blue perfect out the gate, expect to shoot at least a half dozen jobs (probably more like a dozen) to get pro results. Spraying a thin finish and then not burning through it during wetsanding and buffing is both an art and an acquired skill, my friend. Expect to pay anywhere between $250-400 for a good quality daphne blue 60s Fender solid color non-metallic refin on a strat or tele body. Body prep work or lack of needed prep is often a variable that sways pricing (Are you shipping a paint-ready body or a guitar that has to be disassembled and then reassembled? Does an old finish have to be removed? Does it have dents/dings/gashes that need to be filled and prepped first?).

You can buy prefinished bodies all over the internet. Prices are all over the board, as is quality. Do your research before you commit to purchase. The best bang for the buck source IMHO is Allparts. Their prefinished bodies are typically ghost-built by the Tokai factory (Fender Japan) and they are not only stellar but priced VERY fairly for what they are. For what you'd pay for a pro-caliber refin, you get a great slab of superb tonewood that's not cheap in its own right cut perfectly underneath. Here's my most recent Allparts build. This a TV Jones TV Classics demo guitar I threw together for my shop. With the exception of the pickups and the bridge cut specifically for the bridge pickup's footprint, it is entirely Allparts goods. They call this color "candy apple orange."







Before you ask, building something like this in a Fender light blue is well over your $$$ threshold, this is just showing you Allparts paint quality. Also, Allparts doesn't do custom paint on demand, they offer current Tokai production line colors only. If you go to the Allparts website and you see sonic blue, not daphne blue, sonic blue is what they have and nothing else. Don't waste your time or their time asking.

My suggestion is to try and find a cheap, clean high quality pre-finished body (used, blowout, overstock) online from Allparts, Mighty Mite, Warmoth or another reputable source), and then build it up harvesting parts from a used MIM strat you acquire cheap. That's how you'd make something good come together its cheapest.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1234 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:31 am to
Also, do a search on Reverb.com for "daphne blue" and set the listings preferences for "prices low to high." Basement bargains on parts guitars are prone to show up. A quick search I just did turned up a Squier strat daphne blue refin for $220.

Clickety this linkety ...

Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1234 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:37 am to
I've dealt with these guys before too, their stuff is always 100 percent as described. Deal with full confidence.

Fender MIM 50s reissue body in daphne blue

Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:03 am to
Thanks. I've seen those bodies on the stratosphere website. But it is a pricey part. By the time I've bought a neck and pickups and hardware I am probably pushing 5 bills anyway.

I have refinished some large projects but none need the perfection of coat after coat of spray. I can see myself cursing in my garage after a paint run. And going through 6 cans of 15 dollar paint and 3 cans of clearcoat.

Edit. I've seen the Squires. They seem to be a set in stone price of $299. While a MIM fender is $599-799 depending on used or 60s.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 8:05 am
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1234 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:13 am to
If you can land a Classic Vibe series Squier, they are actually pretty good guitars. The lower line Squiers, however, leave much to be desired.

If five bills is your absolute cap and less than that is preferred, your best bet (actually, your only option from what I see) is probably to continue shopping diligently and patiently for a used MIM or parts guitar or whatever in your color choice as you have been. Best of luck on that!
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:30 am to
I think I could fool myself with sonic blue too?

If I had to.

Posted by RockAndRollDetective
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
4506 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:17 pm to
Those TV Jones pickups are the shite. I just put one in the bridge position of an older guitar of mine, replacing an experiment with some DiMarzios (never again) and I can't get enough. They sound amazing. It's got a coil splitter on the pot and the tonal possibilities are just mind-boggling. It's tempting to switch out all of my humbuckers for them.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

quick search I just did turned up a Squier strat daphne blue refin for $220.



Oh yeah. Forgot to mention maple neck and board. Feeds the Eric Clapton delusion.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 4:07 pm to
BTW.

I want to punch the scrotum of anyone who "relics" a perfectly good Daphne Blue guitar.

If it's just a plain ugly black one or you are trying to make it look like someone's Guitar like "Blackie" or SRV #1 etc. fine. But to just mark up a pristine guitar? How about you play it enough to scuff it up!!?

End tantrum.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
19948 posts
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:06 pm to
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Any of you have luck with haggling with GC?


I don't believe they haggle any more, last time I purchased an amp from there he said they didn't do that anymore. Have read some forums that confirm it
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 8:24 am to
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I don't believe they haggle any more, last time I purchased an amp from there he said they didn't do that anymore. Have read some forums that confirm it



I just notice them dropping prices on the website on their own. Just if something doesn't move. Just knew I heard people offer lower offers for items and they were accepted, but how long ago that was, I don't know?

Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
19948 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:23 am to
Yeah it was several years ago they definitely did this but I don't think they do it very often if at all any more. They used to haggle on almost anything
Posted by mark65mc
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
11267 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:43 am to
LINK

Here's one on Reverb for $600. Not sure if this is exactly what you want.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:41 pm to
That's the one. Just still want it cheaper. Lol

Guitar center in Houston has one for $540. It still sits because of an unfortunate pickguard choice. Looks like piss gold on that blue.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14661 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:01 pm to
Pickguards are cheap.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:05 pm to
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Pickguards are cheap


I know.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14661 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:19 pm to
Well then hop on that shite. Or are you waiting for it to drop further?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/9/17 at 1:29 pm to
Waiting.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26948 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:58 pm to
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Waiting.



Bump. My waiting was fruitless. I enjoy woodworking and refinishing. I think I may want to give this a try. I would love to find a ratty old MIM strat in a color like white and refinish it in Daphne Blue.

There are a million white strats out there for cheap. I'd love find one and refinish it.

A. Fret Shack convinced me I may need to practice on a piece of wood. Is it good to get a white guitar as when it is sanded the white can act as a primer? I'd assume it has already been primed under the white paint. Remove clear coat and rough up the paint and it "should" be ready?

B. Daphne Blue an easy color to find just in paint?

Can it be done with just cans or is a spray gun a necessity?


I have tackled a few large refinishing projects. These were stripped and stained pieces of furniture though with a hand rubbed finishing coat though. Not paint and clear coat.

I may buy a piece of absolute crap at GC for 50-75 bucks to practice on?


I will continue to shop, but this route has begun to interest me. Especially since Daphne Blue appears to be a 200 dollar mark up color.
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