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Bonzo in Achilles Last Stand is the best musicianship ever done

Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:28 am
Posted by h2o4Madmartigan
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:28 am
Dude has no equal in the history of music.

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Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:42 am to
Bonzo is my favorite drummer and that song is without a shadow of a doubt my favorite track of his.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:52 am to
For a percussionist to have such influence on subsequent generation of players is extraordinary. His contemporaries in rock music (not known as a bastion of virtuosity - although the occasional guitarist or keyboardist gets close) - particularly Keith Moon and Neil Peart both generally get higher marks for "style" and "skill" (at least flashiness that passes for skill), respectively - Bonham was heavily influenced by the "jazz cool" drummers of the previous generation, notably Roach, Krupa and Rich, but others as well.

Bonham balanced a steady beat, awesome right foot, a hard hitting style, a deceptive knowledge of the drums' place in music AND how to tune/record/project the drums appropriately into the music.

From a pure virtuosity standpoint on the drums themselves - Bonham cannot be considered a "master" as musicians use that term. However, he may be the best rock and roll drummer ever - and is almost certainly the most influential. The big sound is what almost every rock drummer wants. If Bonzo was a master, it was of the big sound. And technically, although not a master, his skills were good enough along with his other abilities to make him stand out even looking back this far.

Now, being in Zeppelin didn't hurt - because after all the songs do make a difference, but he's as important part of that sound as any of the other 3 were.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 10:57 am
Posted by lacajun069
franklinton
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:27 pm to
Heart definitely borrowed this drum track for Barracuda...

Bonzo and GInger Baker two of my favorite percussionist.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19383 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:21 pm to
The isolated drum track from Fool in the Rain is absolutely stunning. No click track, plus a complete change in feel equals one of the greatest rock drum tracks of all time. THE only guy who could match Bernard Purdie lick for lick in terms of new and innovative ways of taking a shuffle and turning it into something beyond magic.
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:40 pm to
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Bonzo is my favorite drummer and that song is without a shadow of a doubt my favorite track of his.


Interesting comment. As a drummer, he was the most influential on me coming up. However, I don't consider that track his best work on that album much less the catalog. However, as with most of his work, it is of top quality.

His influence and importance to LZ can best be demonstrated by his regrettable death upon which they just disbanded as they knew they couldn't replace him. He was too important, too integral to the band. In a bizarre way, that is the highest compliment.
Posted by Chitter Chatter
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 2:30 pm to
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His influence and importance to LZ can best be demonstrated by his regrettable death upon which they just disbanded as they knew they couldn't replace him. He was too important, too integral to the band. In a bizarre way, that is the highest compliment.


Very well put
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 8:30 pm to
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The isolated drum track from Fool in the Rain is absolutely stunning.



I came here to post that Fool in the Rain percussion is just outstanding!!

Posted by parrotdr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:00 pm to
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Heart definitely borrowed this drum track for Barracuda...


Never made that connection, but you're right!
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:10 pm to
I think what sets him apart (and what sets guys like Ginger Baker, Danny Carey, John Blackwell, and Carter Beauford apart from their contemporaries) is that he was a jazz/swing drummer by trade. His "roots" put a premium on improvisation and complimenting the musicians around him, rather than just keeping time for the others in the band.

This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 8:56 am
Posted by Oswald
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:10 am to
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awesome right foot

This. In all my years as a drummer, getting my kick-drum foot technique up to a level that was close to Bonzo's was the most difficult lesson I had to learn...and I'm not sure I ever actually did properly learn it...
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:41 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:46 am to
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Heart definitely borrowed this drum track for Barracuda.


Maybe - they did open a lot of shows for Zeppelin back in the day. As far as bands go, most of the 70s groups hung out together. When Heart was recording the "Greatest Hits - Live" package covering their 1970s era songs in the summer of 1980, they covered Rock and Roll - recorded in August 1980 (the month before Bonham died) and released in November of that year (2 months after), the liner notes for that song was "Dedicated with all our love to John Bonham".

And, for the record, no one has covered Zeppelin as consistently well as Heart. There - I said it.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17273 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:17 pm to
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When Heart was recording the "Greatest Hits - Live" package covering their 1970s era songs in the summer of 1980, they covered Rock and Roll - recorded in August 1980
Saw them at AU in April '80 and they played it during their set. Totally kicked arse, I was quite impressed.

BTW, Nancy Wilson is a highly underrated guitarist. And she's aged a lot better than pretty much all of her contemporaries

Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:47 pm to
Can someone explain to a layman such as myself what sets the great drummers apart from others?

May sound like a dumb question but for someone that isn't very familiar with the technical side of music it's a bit mysterious. With guitar for instance, I can easily see how one guy could be a lot better than another guy because even a novice can clearly listen and figure it out. But with drums, and I'm not trying to oversimplify this or be derogatory, but it kinda seems like drums are drums. It seems like if you're proficient at it (at the level that you are a pro playing in a popular band) you'd be on the same level as all the others.

So back to my question...with guys like bonham or pert or the folks that are generally regarded as the best ever..what exactly is it about their playing that really differentiates them from their peers?
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
13860 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:51 pm to
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Can someone explain to a layman such as myself what sets the great drummers apart from others?


Drummers that impress me the most have one thing in common, they are a human metronome. A great sense of time and staying in the pocket are things that all great drummers have. Its not all about chops and fills.
Posted by MountainTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:02 pm to
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Drummers that impress me the most have one thing in common, they are a human metronome. A great sense of time and staying in the pocket are things that all great drummers have. Its not all about chops and fills.

Yep, it's not about who can play the most notes. It's about the guy that can keep time and establish a groove for the other musicians in the band. The drummer more than anybody else is the one responsible for the "feel" of the song.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19383 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:47 pm to
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Can someone explain to a layman such as myself what sets the great drummers apart from others?


Knowing when to step out and when to lay back. A sense of time. The ability to keep an entire band in the pocket. And most importantly......feel. Some of my favorite rock tracks that demonstrate this.....
Tom Sawyer
Fool in the Rain
Aja
50 Ways to Leave Your Lover
Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2767 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:31 am to
Don't forget Jeff Porcaro and his amazing shuffle in Rosana. Rosana
Posted by Oswald
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Member since Aug 2011
3447 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:30 am to
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Can someone explain to a layman such as myself what sets the great drummers apart from others?

As a drummer, I've always thought that the great ones had two essential qualities:

1. Ability to hold a steady tempo
2. Ability to play whatever the music requires, regardless of how much, or how little, that might be.
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