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Would You Give Any Bond Film Four Stars?
Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:01 am
Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:01 am
How good are Bond films?
Sean Connery Is often mentioned as the best Bond. Though his accent is absurd for the role, he is a believable killer.
The Roger Moore Bond films seem like Austin Powers-ish self parody.
The best of the lot is the recent Casino Royale remake. I'd give it 3/4 stars. From the 50 years of films we've gotten mostly 1 and 2-star level product, terribly dated, most of which borders on silly.
Why all the love for Bond?
Sean Connery Is often mentioned as the best Bond. Though his accent is absurd for the role, he is a believable killer.
The Roger Moore Bond films seem like Austin Powers-ish self parody.
The best of the lot is the recent Casino Royale remake. I'd give it 3/4 stars. From the 50 years of films we've gotten mostly 1 and 2-star level product, terribly dated, most of which borders on silly.
Why all the love for Bond?
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:14 am to wavebreaker
Goldfinger
Casino Royale
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
From Russia With Love
Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:19 am to OMLandshark
Goldeneye
Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:28 am to Tactical1
quote:
Goldeneye
Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:31 am to MiNd DrIpS
Brosnan is the best Bond.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 8:42 am to Lacour
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Brosnan is the best Bond
1. Connery
2. Craig
3. Dalton (closest to Ian Fleming until Craig)
4. Lazenby
5. Brosnan
6. Moore
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:18 am to wavebreaker
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Why all the love for Bond?
Because most of us are guys and he's the ultimate fantasy role...and he never gets old...and he lives forever...and the stories are fun and he always gets the hot girls in the end... Bond girls
Movies don't have to be so serious to get 4 stars...a great film can be tongue-in-cheek in parts.
As Roger Ebert wrote in his review of Goldfinger:
quote:
Not every man would like to be James Bond, but every boy would. In one adventure after another, he saves the world, defeats bizarre villains, gets to play with neat gadgets and seduces, or is seduced by, stupendously sexy women (this last attribute appeals less to boys younger than 12).
He is a hero, but not a bore. Even faced with certain death, he can cheer himself by focusing instead on the possibility that first he might get lucky. He's obsessed with creature comforts, a trial to his superiors, a sophisticate in all material things and able to parachute into enemy territory and be wearing a tuxedo five minutes later. When it comes to movie spies, Agent 007 is full-service, one-stop shopping.
Of all the Bonds, "Goldfinger" (1964) is the best, and can stand as a surrogate for the others. If it is not a great film, it is a great entertainment, and contains all the elements of the Bond formula that would work again and again.
Connery had the sleek self-assurance needed for the role, and a gift with deadpan double entendres. But he had something else that none of the others, save perhaps Dalton, could muster: Steely toughness. When his eyes narrowed and his body tensed up, you knew the playing was over and the bloodshed was about to begin.
People go to the movies to be entertained - most of the old Bond films always delivered.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:34 am to Zamoro10
What year did Ebert write that? 1982?
Goldfinger. Watched it recently and it seemed very dated and post-Austin Powers was difficult to take seriously.
A good action/thriller keeps the viewer on edge. It's a life and death struggle. I rarely feel any real jeopardy in any Bond film.
I grew up with Bond as we all did and loved them as a kid. Gadgets, explosions, hot chicks. Watching them again as an adult most of them don't hold up.
Casino Royale held promise because it got back to the books. Then Quantum sucked (might give it zero/4 stars it was so bad).
The problem for the filmmakers:
Go "Bourne"'with Bond to keep him up to date?
Go back to the books to recapture the soul of the character? But is that relevant in a post Cold War world?
Go into spoof parody territory (Roger Moore and the last Brosnan)?
Or try a mix of everything? Skyfall.
The Bond film cliches:
Glib post kill line. Moneypenny. Shaken not stirred. Sophistocated villain (was north by northwest first to so this? Third man?). Gadgets in the car. Q. Gadgets for battle.
Casino Royale reboot worked because it went back to the book and thew out the cliches.
That great film was followed with a no plot snoozefest.
Now they are trying to reintroduce the cliches.
Yes, I'm all for occasional mindless action and hot chicks. Occasionally.
Goldfinger. Watched it recently and it seemed very dated and post-Austin Powers was difficult to take seriously.
A good action/thriller keeps the viewer on edge. It's a life and death struggle. I rarely feel any real jeopardy in any Bond film.
I grew up with Bond as we all did and loved them as a kid. Gadgets, explosions, hot chicks. Watching them again as an adult most of them don't hold up.
Casino Royale held promise because it got back to the books. Then Quantum sucked (might give it zero/4 stars it was so bad).
The problem for the filmmakers:
Go "Bourne"'with Bond to keep him up to date?
Go back to the books to recapture the soul of the character? But is that relevant in a post Cold War world?
Go into spoof parody territory (Roger Moore and the last Brosnan)?
Or try a mix of everything? Skyfall.
The Bond film cliches:
Glib post kill line. Moneypenny. Shaken not stirred. Sophistocated villain (was north by northwest first to so this? Third man?). Gadgets in the car. Q. Gadgets for battle.
Casino Royale reboot worked because it went back to the book and thew out the cliches.
That great film was followed with a no plot snoozefest.
Now they are trying to reintroduce the cliches.
Yes, I'm all for occasional mindless action and hot chicks. Occasionally.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:39 am to wavebreaker
a lot of of lemons in that franchise. A LOT.
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:48 am to wavebreaker
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What year did Ebert write that? 1982?
1999
quote:
Go back to the books to recapture the soul of the character? But is that relevant in a post Cold War world?
Would love that to happen but you can't...books are all used up. And retelling stuff is lame. Once they ran out of Ian Fleming stories, Bond had had it. Which is why it's Connery films for me...and everything else today is just modern Bourne action flick. Not a "Bond film" at all - none of them. There's nothing in a Craig Bond film that makes it a Bond film looking at Goldfinger...which is the definition of a Bond film.
Cold War has nothing to do with the style and attitude of Bond...if anything his sexism doesn't play today...but the world is still full of surly, alcoholic, womanizers who like to brood, get into fights and don't give a shite about anything. Bond of the books is great.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:48 am to wavebreaker
Dr. No - 4.5/5
From Russia With Love - 4.5/5
Goldfinger - 5/5
Thunderball - 4/5
You Only Live Twice - 4/5
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 3/5
Diamonds are Forever - 3/5
Live and Let Die - 3.5/5
The Man with the Golden Gun - 2.5/5
The Spy Who Loved Me - 3.5/5
Moonraker - 3/5
For Your Eyes Only - 4/5
Octopussy - 2.5/5
A View to a Kill - 2/5
The Living Daylights - 3.5/5
Licence to Kill - 3.5/5
Goldeneye - 4.5/5
Tomorrow Never Dies - 3/5
The World is Not Enough - 2.5/5
Die Another Day - 2/5
Casino Royale - 5/5
Quantum of Solace - 2.5/5
Skyfall - 4.5/5
From Russia With Love - 4.5/5
Goldfinger - 5/5
Thunderball - 4/5
You Only Live Twice - 4/5
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 3/5
Diamonds are Forever - 3/5
Live and Let Die - 3.5/5
The Man with the Golden Gun - 2.5/5
The Spy Who Loved Me - 3.5/5
Moonraker - 3/5
For Your Eyes Only - 4/5
Octopussy - 2.5/5
A View to a Kill - 2/5
The Living Daylights - 3.5/5
Licence to Kill - 3.5/5
Goldeneye - 4.5/5
Tomorrow Never Dies - 3/5
The World is Not Enough - 2.5/5
Die Another Day - 2/5
Casino Royale - 5/5
Quantum of Solace - 2.5/5
Skyfall - 4.5/5
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:53 am to Zamoro10
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and everything else today is just modern Bourne action flick. Not a "Bond film" at all - none of them. There's nothing in a Craig Bond film that makes it a Bond film looking at Goldfinger
Don't know about that for Skyfall. The style is back. Bourne would never do anything as audacious as use a bulldozer to rip open a train or jump onto a train and then take the time to fix his shirt cuffs. The banter with Silva, Q, and Moneypenny is vintage Bond.
The Bourne movies changed the game in terms of people's expectations for spy flicks. Bond producers smartly adapted, just took Quantum abortion for them to get it right.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:25 am to corndeaux
Brosnan was horrible.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:33 am to wavebreaker
Goldeneye and The Man With The Golden Gun
Brosnan pwns.
Brosnan pwns.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:38 am to Kafka
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3. Dalton (closest to Ian Fleming until Craig)
I like Dalton too. He had some really really good films and some really really bad ones. But so did Connery so it's not out of the ordinary for any Bond guy, side for Lanzenby. I kind of liked On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 12:40 pm to wavebreaker
From Russia with Love
OHMSS
I question whether the OP has seen either
OHMSS
I question whether the OP has seen either
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 12:42 pm
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