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Why is there no standing Royal Army in GOT?
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:53 pm
Tommen never keeps order, and how does the crown have power. In anceint china and rome there was a professional army.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:56 pm to Boo Krewe
There is. The Gold Cloaks.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:00 pm to blueboy
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There is. The Gold Cloaks.
I wouldn't consider the King's Guard to be an army though. It seems like every king uses their house's and their allies armies to maintain control.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:02 pm to Das Jackal
gold cloaks are 2000.
not enough to take on tyrells,starks, lannister, dotharaki, unsullied, greyjoiy
not enough to take on tyrells,starks, lannister, dotharaki, unsullied, greyjoiy
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:02 pm to Boo Krewe
The crown doesn't have that kind of pull. The people are loyal to their region and the lords are only loyal as long as it benefits them.
Tommen reign failed because of his mother's incompetence.
Tommen reign failed because of his mother's incompetence.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:03 pm to Boo Krewe
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gold cloaks are 2000
Wow. I didn't realize they're were that many of them. As you said though, still not enough.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:05 pm to Boo Krewe
Cercei and Joffery discuss this specifically in season 1 and how it would never work
Basically you'd have to get people from other houses to Fill the army and eventually would require them to take arms against their own brothers, and it would end terribly
Basically you'd have to get people from other houses to Fill the army and eventually would require them to take arms against their own brothers, and it would end terribly
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:08 pm to wildtigercat93
egypt, china, greece did it
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:09 pm to Boo Krewe
Very different dynamic than westeros.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:17 pm to Boo Krewe
At the time represented, standing armies were not really a big thing.
You relied on your noble Lords to keep a certain percent of their able bodied men ready to fight.
Wars were more planned and orderly, then. Though more brutal in many ways
You relied on your noble Lords to keep a certain percent of their able bodied men ready to fight.
Wars were more planned and orderly, then. Though more brutal in many ways
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:18 pm to Das Jackal
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There is. The Gold Cloaks.
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I wouldn't consider the King's Guard to be an army though.
The Kingsguard are not the Gold Cloaks. If anything, the Kings Guard are known for the color white.
The Gold Cloaks are like the police, the city guard, of Kinglanding. The king did have a standing army, it was the army of the Stormlands, comprised of all the Baratheon bannermen. Plus, if the King called his banners, all those who bent the knee would be obligated to mobilize.
Joffrey lost the Stormland army when Stannis declared himself king. So the Lannisters backed Joffrey, and they and their bannermen became the king's army.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:22 pm to Boo Krewe
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egypt, china, greece did it
westeros doesn't really have the threat of an outside force. Until Dany
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:22 pm to Boo Krewe
The Anglo Saxons never had a standing army. The king had his House Carls, which were a bodyguard, and then there was the Fyrd, which was basically all able-bodied men.
When the Normans invaded, the Fyrd had spent most of the summer fending off Norwegian mercenaries fighting for the King's exiled brother. When William the Conquerer landed in September, most of them had gone home to harvest their crops.
When the Normans invaded, the Fyrd had spent most of the summer fending off Norwegian mercenaries fighting for the King's exiled brother. When William the Conquerer landed in September, most of them had gone home to harvest their crops.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:24 pm to Das Jackal
The King's Guard protect the King
The Gold Cloaks are the police of King's Landing not an army. They aren't knights, or soldiers. Janos Slynt used to be their Commander, so they aren't too big of a deal.
Whatever family is sitting on the thrown uses their own army.
The Gold Cloaks are the police of King's Landing not an army. They aren't knights, or soldiers. Janos Slynt used to be their Commander, so they aren't too big of a deal.
Whatever family is sitting on the thrown uses their own army.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:31 pm to putt23
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The King's Guard protect the King
The Gold Cloaks are the police of King's Landing not an army. They aren't knights, or soldiers. Janos Slynt used to be their Commander, so they aren't too big of a deal.
I see both of these as correct. Gold Cloaks are there to hold the peace among common folk.
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Whatever family is sitting on the thrown uses their own army.
this is also correct. if a war is oncoming, they call banners to aid. You have to remember that no one sneaks up in Westeros also, they are seen coming months in advance. Tyrion saw Blackwater coming from a long time out and had the giant chains built and all the wildfire brought forth.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:41 pm to putt23
quote:They're trained soldiers. I wouldn't say they were an elite force like the Praetorian Guard, but they are more than just beat cops.
The Gold Cloaks are the police of King's Landing not an army. They aren't knights, or soldiers. Janos Slynt used to be their Commander, so they aren't too big of a deal.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:50 pm to Boo Krewe
So this is how the history of it worked out as far as I can tell. Also understanding the medieval vassal system would help. First the Targaryans held the thrown and had their own army made of their vassals. They were overthrown by Robert Baratheon, and his army with his vassals would have become the royal army. When he died the Baratheon army would have been split between Stannis and Renly with Renly taking the vast majority. Joffrey's army would have essentially been the Lannister's army which comprised of the vassals of the Lannisters. This got passed down to Tommen.
There is this vassal system which works like a pyramid of lords. It's all very fluid based off how the politics shake out. The king's army and power base was immediately weakened when the split happened right after Robert died.
There is this vassal system which works like a pyramid of lords. It's all very fluid based off how the politics shake out. The king's army and power base was immediately weakened when the split happened right after Robert died.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:51 pm to blueboy
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but they are more than just beat cops.
As an analogy, they essentially are cops. They're the security force that is tied to the city. No one is using them as an invading force or to project power.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:51 pm to Peazey
if cersei didnt kill robert. i wonder how things wouldve gone
Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:55 pm to blueboy
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They're trained soldiers. I wouldn't say they were an elite force like the Praetorian Guard, but they are more than just beat cops.
I bet they were a lot more badass when Blackfyre commanded them
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