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Whiplash is very overrated imo....SPOILERS

Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:08 pm
Man, I'm usually right in line with this board but good lord I can't for the life of me understand the love this movie gets here???

Good ham it up performance by Simmons for sure, he balks and throws around politically incorrect insults like an 80s HS football coach, but the plot was borderline stupid with one of the least interesting or likable "protagonists" in an Oscar nominated film I've seen in a long time.

The Teller character was a complete mess from one scene to the next.

He's the most driven, obsessive drumming prodigy of all time who practices until he's soaking wet and his hands bleed ( ), yet oversleeps on the morning of his first day in the big league class, loses his sheet music multiple times, and has the added extremely contrived disaster of being the only band member on the one bus that happens to get a flat tire before the big show, then the drumming obsessed prodigy FORGETS HIS STICKS after renting a car right as the rental agency opens or closes (not sure), although i guess they just opened because they're still open when he goes back to get his sticks that he forgot , then happens to get T-boned right in his driver's side door BY A MACK TRUCK but luckily his only injuries are a scratch on his head and his hand (still ok to drum though just enough to look dramatically bloody while doing so :lol:).

He's also a wall flower too nervous to talk to the cute girl at the concession stand but doesn't hesitate to openly mock and taunt his jock uncle and football playing cousins and no one finds this the least bit out of the ordinary although its almost certainly the first time hes done so, and also curse out and ridicule the cool drummer brought in to challenge him, calling him a mick frick at one point???, and cursing out the hardass legendary teacher that could make or break his entire career/life as well


It makes me wonder (or hope) if the writer actually wrote a more compelling and believable story/character but Teller in his young actor pride/bravado was just like this guy is too much of a pussy/bore so I need make him more interesting and I'll do that by having some dramatic yelling scenes where I show these guys how much of a DAUNTLESS I am and went full Jon Moxon on his arse (frick KILMER)!!!


I just did not get this hype at all, although the music was pretty cool I guess, and yeah, Simmons had a fun part, although a guy like that would have been fired years before in the current social climate. Maybe a line setting this in the 80s or 90s would have made the character's aggressive language technique and physically assaultive behavior more believable. But no way would this fly in today's world.


Bash away, but I just was shocked at how mediocre this was after all the awards and hype.


Nightcrawler>> American Sniper > Imitation Game> Birdman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whiplash
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted by abellsujr
New England
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:10 pm to
The obsession with Birdman and Whiplash is getting out of control, lol. This is getting worse than Marvel vs DC.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 9:11 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:17 pm to
Sorry to add to the Whiplash frenzy but I've seen SOOOOO much praise for it here I just couldn't allow it to be unanimous based on what I just watched.

Man I really just could not get over all the contrived BS starting with him sleeping late on the morning he got the call up to the competition squad


And soon after that the cymbal toss at his face just had me legit laughing out loud.
Posted by Fearthehat0307
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:18 pm to
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American Sniper > Imitation Game
all credibility lost
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:21 pm to
Completely disagree.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:35 pm to
Yeah honestly i go back and forth between Sniper and Imitation (hence the one >). Loved Imitation, but saw it almost 3 months before Sniper so I may just feel more emotional about it at the moment. Could definitely change over time.

And Cumberbatch actually showed how to play a true social outcast/genius maintaining the same social aawkwardness as he's solving an equation or showing up the cooler scientists. Teller didn't have the chops to pull off the character, going from mimicking Zuckerberg from Social Network in his dating/breakup scene to DAUNTLESS/Jon Moxon in his stand up for himself scenes when he refused to stay in character.



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Completely disagree. 


Completely?

You didn't find any of it contrived? (The sleeping in on his first day of competition class, losing music/sticks, drumming till hands bleed, bus flat tire, walking away from MACK TRUCK T-BONE with only scratches)

Didn't find Simmons' character at all over the top in today's PC/litigious society? (cymbal throwing at face, outlandishly offensive language in an academic setting)
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 9:38 pm
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:42 pm to
The purpose of him forgetting sticks and all that other shite is to show how much pressure was put on him. Drumming and being the best at it were the only thing(s) on his mind. I've been in such a rush that I forget things as well, because your mind is centered on one thing. I think you're being way too critical on his character. I wanted to watch the movie again right when I finished it.


How boring would it be if he didn't have flaws?
Posted by Freauxzen
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

He's the most driven, obsessive drumming prodigy of all time who practices until he's soaking wet and his hands bleed ( ), yet oversleeps on the morning of his first day in the big league class, loses his sheet music multiple times, and has the added extremely contrived disaster of being the only band member on the one bus that happens to get a flat tire before the big show, then the drumming obsessed prodigy FORGETS HIS STICKS after renting a car right as the rental agency opens or closes (not sure), although i guess they just opened because they're still open when he goes back to get his sticks that he forgot , then happens to get T-boned right in his driver's side door BY A MACK TRUCK but luckily his only injuries are a scratch on his head and his hand (still ok to drum though just enough to look dramatically bloody while doing so ).

He's also a wall flower too nervous to talk to the cute girl at the concession stand but doesn't hesitate to openly mock and taunt his jock uncle and football playing cousins and no one finds this the least bit out of the ordinary although its almost certainly the first time hes done so, and also curse out and ridicule the cool drummer brought in to challenge him, calling him a mick frick at one point???, and cursing out the hardass legendary teacher that could make or break his entire career/life as well



Well that's not nitpicky at all.....

Saw Calvart and Nightcrawler this past week, and they might have both edged Whiplash. However, I still think it's better than the rest.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:05 pm to
Whiplash was a very good movie but it's not the end all be all that everyone on here makes it out to be. It won't be remembered as an all time great
I liked Birdman better
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:06 pm to
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The purpose of him forgetting sticks and all that other shite is to show how much pressure was put on him



Oh I get what they were trying to show.

I just think it came off as lame.

Him staying up all night, listening to music nonstop, even breaking off his relationship to focus on his goal (despite being extremely over the top in a Social Network ripoff) were all great ways to show the pressure he put on himself to be the best.

And yeah, I could even buy him forgetting his sticks in a panic as he rushes to the show, but it's the one thing after another that takes these from being believable mishaps a character under pressure might make to being lame plot devices when the whole movie from start to finish relies on them to create drama.

And even that isn't consistent. He's not feeling pressure when he loses the sheet music. In fact, he's chill as can be grabbing a soda and even tells the first chair guy "Relax, we'll just grab an extra"

The character was an incoherent jumble of scenes with little to no continuity. That's why I have to think Teller took quite a bit of license to make the character more his own. I just can't see a screenwriter doing that.

And I do NOT buy the sleeping past start of his first class with the competition squad. I just can't see that ever being believable. If anything he wouldnt be able to sleep at all and would be sluggish in his first class because he was up all night.


And couldn't he have been in a fender bender that made him late?Was being T-Boned by a big rig really necessary when he was just going to get up and run from the scene?

Was it just so he could be covered in blood to make it all appear more dramatic? That's just pure contrived nonsense imo
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 10:28 pm
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:07 pm to
I've been a musician 3/4 of my life, started with drums. biased. Solid film.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:08 pm to
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Didn't find Simmons' character at all over the top in today's PC/litigious society? (cymbal throwing at face, outlandishly offensive language in an academic setting)


You mean what he was fired for? Seems legit.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:12 pm to
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Well that's not nitpicky at all..... 



Nitpicky??? It basically lists out how every plot point is wholly contrived and the main character is outright inconsistent in almost every other scene??

I don't feel like that's nitpicking


Loved Nightcrawler. By far my favorite movie of the year. Calvary next on my list
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:16 pm to
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You mean what he was fired for? Seems legit.


After he'd apparently been doing this for decades, including apparently leading one kid to kill himself

Oh, but the parents didn't want to "press charges", so I'm sure the school wouldnt have taken it upon themselves to shield themselves from future liability if he continued with his tactics
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:19 pm to
I've been playing music since I was 10, but I'd love this movie regardless. I love everything about it. It was intense as frick.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:21 pm to
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I've been a musician 3/4 of my life, started with drums. biased. Solid film. 



I didn't want to bring up the technique issues, I can at least grant the filmmakers that license, but isn't the whole trick to drumming faster actually relaxing your grip and finding a flow instead of tensing every muscle in your body and squeezing as hard as you can??

Wouldn't the bleeding hands be less likely for a drummer at that skill level? Honest question

Even if so, I can at least understand the dramatic effect the filmmaker was going for in including that.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:21 pm to
Simmons character was WAY too over the top

We got the point but they kept beating it in our heads
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:23 pm to
quote:

Nitpicky??? It basically lists out how every plot point is wholly contrived and the main character is outright inconsistent in almost every other scene??

You can't imagine a kid oversleeping before class? That's nitpicky.

What if his alarm just didn't go off? It's not something to lose the narrative over. What if he stayed up too late listening to music? What if he's overstressed?

Posted by SEClint
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Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:23 pm to
As a teenager and playing extreme metal, I vividly remember yelling and cussing trying to nail those perfect 200+bpm blast beats. Damn blisters too lol

Jazz can be some very difficult drumming though, great job by both actors.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:34 pm to
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You can't imagine a kid oversleeping before class? That's nitpicky



Marty McFly overslept before class. I bought that.

Maverick forgetting to set his alarm before his first day at Top Gun, not so much.


This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 10:48 pm
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