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re: Tony Soprano
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:36 pm to Elleshoe
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:36 pm to Elleshoe
I am a big sopranos fan... Best show watch each season numerous times. No clue if he is dead possible yes... I think It could go either way... Chase was giving us a view from toney's eyes how he constantly Is looking around and always on edge... Is he dead??? Signs point to that... Is he alive.... Possible... That was the point....
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Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:45 pm to Jwodie
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Didn't I already say this...
well I fleshed it out and elevated it
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:11 pm to SaintlyTiger88
He's dead...until someone decides to try and cash in on a reunion episode or movie. In that case, he was critically wounded and will take 15 minutes of the movie's opening to recover.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:26 pm to Jake88
Dead.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:22 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Surprised so many people are so confident in his death.
I loved the scene thinking maybe he didn't get shot. Why? Because that was one of the most tense scenes of the whole series and it really showed how miserable his life must have actually been and why the heck he needed Dr. Melfi.
Every moment of his life, he knew either a rival family or an upstart within his own family could off him. And that final scene oozed fear and tension whether he died or not.
I loved the scene thinking maybe he didn't get shot. Why? Because that was one of the most tense scenes of the whole series and it really showed how miserable his life must have actually been and why the heck he needed Dr. Melfi.
Every moment of his life, he knew either a rival family or an upstart within his own family could off him. And that final scene oozed fear and tension whether he died or not.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:39 pm to TigerMyth36
Sepinwall has a good analysis of the death theory in his book. He doesn't buy it, but here's my take...
It doesn't matter. He's always going to be this miserable bastard no matter what. Hell, death would be a happy ending for this guy. And I don't think he gets a happy ending. I think its the idea his whole life is going to be like this for the rest of eternity. He's already damned.
He will die a violent death. The only question is when and by whose hand.
It doesn't matter. He's always going to be this miserable bastard no matter what. Hell, death would be a happy ending for this guy. And I don't think he gets a happy ending. I think its the idea his whole life is going to be like this for the rest of eternity. He's already damned.
He will die a violent death. The only question is when and by whose hand.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:50 pm to TigerMyth36
As someone else said, Members Only man could have been an undercover Fed. Getting busted or getting killed are in his future. The whole point was that there were so many possible bad endings for Tony.
In an earlier season he was eating with Artie and had the Maitre d' tell the valet to get the license plate numbers of two guys at another table because Tony thought they looked like cops. The final scene just emphasized the paranoia that must fuel every moment of every day of his life.
In an earlier season he was eating with Artie and had the Maitre d' tell the valet to get the license plate numbers of two guys at another table because Tony thought they looked like cops. The final scene just emphasized the paranoia that must fuel every moment of every day of his life.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:54 pm to Baloo
Lots of great responses! This debate has been one of the more intriguing tv-related debates over the past few years, and will never be fully settled until we, the audience, are given closure on the subject. Will David Chase ever grant us that closure? Who knows? If he is willing to do some sort of movie or resurrection of the series or whatever, I just hope he does it soon!
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:57 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I don't see why it's a debate. Was he killed on screen? No.
Believe what you want. Personally, I think there's too much money involved for him to be kilt
Believe what you want. Personally, I think there's too much money involved for him to be kilt
Posted on 5/9/13 at 11:02 pm to PowerTool
Good point there Power Tool. I definitely agree with you, and Tony definitely showed signs of paranoia, which probably played a large role in the cause of his panic attacks. Tony was a tough guy who could be as mean as a rattlesnake yet at the same time could be a loving and tender man. I think it's this paradox that makes Tony interesting and not just some ordinary thug. I think any wiseguy feels fear, fear they will die, fear that they will lose their family or their freedom, and many other types of fears, but in their world, they can't show fear or weakness, they keep it hidden within, and Tony seeing Dr. Melfi was his way of dealing with that. Yes, Tony was a criminal, but he was also a conflicted man, and the roller coaster ride he was on drew the viewers to him.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 12:45 am to TigerRad
quote:This here
WE are the ones who got taken out.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 1:24 am to SaintlyTiger88
Don't stop believing...
Posted on 5/10/13 at 1:33 am to SaintlyTiger88
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Tony was a tough guy who could be as mean as a rattlesnake yet at the same time could be a loving and tender man
I'm hard pressed to think of examples of the latter. I guess he had some genuine affection for his kids, but I wonder if he would have thrown them under the bus if it came down to saving his own neck. Say Meadow decided to write a tell-all book. "I was a Mafia Princess."
Posted on 5/10/13 at 4:37 am to CocomoLSU
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And here's why. (if you have a minute...or several hundred)
Thanks for the link Coco.
I just spent a few hours reading it and a shite ton of comments
I'd say I have to agree with it. I always thought he got killed anyway, but this really brings it home.
Just watching the last scene makes you a bit sad though. When you really invest into a show like this, it sucks that it has to end.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 5:12 am to Sho Nuff
After reading the link Cocomo posted I don't think there's any doubt - Tony was dead. The cut to black was the final change in POV that the director performed repeatedly in that scene (normally you as Tony got to see who came through the door but when you cease to exist in that moment...)
The amount of foreshadowing and length to which the whole series was self-aware and directed to this purposeful ending are absolutely amazing upon more reflection. I thought the Sopranos was an all time great series before reading through the linked reference... I think it is ten times more impressive for the discipline and layered consistency David Chase carried through the series after reading the link. And if you missed the link mentioned here it is again:
LINK
There are four pages of long analysis of the show in that link... they flew by for me... and my god I loved even some of the smaller moments they went back and pointed out like:
seven souls montage from opening episode of last season
Don't just go to the second youtube link and expect to fully understand to significance of the references on teh first listen (although you should be struck about the subject of death and how each of the characters referenced would apply to Tony correctly were the ending of the last season to show Tony's passing).
The discussion of the Men's Room references, the Lincoln references, the Godfather references (how young Pacino began his descent by killing after emerging from the men's room), the resemblance between the MOJ wearing man in the final scene to Tony's father, the significance of the member's only jacketed men in the series, the 2001 shifts in POV, the Orange cat (Adriana's spirit), and even the Magic Bullet song which probably deliberately referenced the Magic Bullet that killed Kennedy made for some very fun reading. I probably didn't need to be convinced after the first page of the blog, but still enjoyed reading more and more (and more)
The amount of foreshadowing and length to which the whole series was self-aware and directed to this purposeful ending are absolutely amazing upon more reflection. I thought the Sopranos was an all time great series before reading through the linked reference... I think it is ten times more impressive for the discipline and layered consistency David Chase carried through the series after reading the link. And if you missed the link mentioned here it is again:
LINK
There are four pages of long analysis of the show in that link... they flew by for me... and my god I loved even some of the smaller moments they went back and pointed out like:
seven souls montage from opening episode of last season
Don't just go to the second youtube link and expect to fully understand to significance of the references on teh first listen (although you should be struck about the subject of death and how each of the characters referenced would apply to Tony correctly were the ending of the last season to show Tony's passing).
The discussion of the Men's Room references, the Lincoln references, the Godfather references (how young Pacino began his descent by killing after emerging from the men's room), the resemblance between the MOJ wearing man in the final scene to Tony's father, the significance of the member's only jacketed men in the series, the 2001 shifts in POV, the Orange cat (Adriana's spirit), and even the Magic Bullet song which probably deliberately referenced the Magic Bullet that killed Kennedy made for some very fun reading. I probably didn't need to be convinced after the first page of the blog, but still enjoyed reading more and more (and more)
Posted on 5/10/13 at 9:15 am to Baloo
My take
Tony is relaxed...he doesn't pay attention to the man in the members only jacket. He only looks up to see if it is his family that comes in and he chooses a pretty bad spot. His back is to alot of people and there is a blind side area.
I'm positive the cut to black was his point of view because of the sequence of events.
Tony is relaxed...he doesn't pay attention to the man in the members only jacket. He only looks up to see if it is his family that comes in and he chooses a pretty bad spot. His back is to alot of people and there is a blind side area.
I'm positive the cut to black was his point of view because of the sequence of events.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 9:27 am to DelU249
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Tony is relaxed
I agree with this. He seemed very comfortable.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 9:34 am to DelU249
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I'm positive the cut to black was his point of view because of the sequence of events.
The only thing that would have driven the point home more clearly is if we would have seen Meadow entering through the door and some sort of reaction to what she witnessed. I realize the death is instantaneous but the if the timing of Meadow's entrance would have been a couple seconds before the gun shot, she would have had the chance to begin reacting to a man drawing down on her father. That would have been Tony's last vision.
Posted on 5/10/13 at 9:45 am to molsusports
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After reading the link Cocomo posted I don't think there's any doubt - Tony was dead.
So after reading that dudes opinion, you think there is no doubt he is dead?
Posted on 5/10/13 at 10:39 am to Elleshoe
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lol at all the arrogant fricks in here saying he's 100% dead.
quote:who'd a thunk it.
Elleshoe
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