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re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by SoFla Tideroller on 9/18/17 at 1:29 pm to nicholastiger
It's interesting to look at countries that were colonized by the French and Spanish as opposed to those colonized by the British. By and large, the French/Spanish possessions were (still are, a lot of times) complete trainwrecks upon gaining independence. Whereas, British colonies seemed to fare much better.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by GetCocky11 on 9/18/17 at 1:36 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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It's interesting to look at countries that were colonized by the French and Spanish as opposed to those colonized by the British. By and large, the French/Spanish possessions were (still are, a lot of times) complete trainwrecks upon gaining independence. Whereas, British colonies seemed to fare much better.
Between WWII, the First Indochina War, and the Algerian War, the French were basically in a constant state of war from 1939 until the early 1960s.
Both of their colonial wars lasted around 7 years each.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by Spaceman Spiff on 9/18/17 at 1:44 pm to Drank
Will be until the inevitable political comparisons to now start.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by SoFla Tideroller on 9/18/17 at 2:28 pm to Spaceman Spiff
I will be curious to see how much Burns let's his bias show through. The Left in America has always assumed they occupy the moral high ground when it comes to the Vietnam War. It's such a bedrock of their belief system that they won't even acknowledge the sins of their side during that time. The outright support of our enemy (Hanoi Jane being the most egregious example*) as well as the despicable treatment of American servicemen and veterans. They will never admit that Vietnam was, in fact, a winnable war. A lot has to do with the Left's belief in Marxist ideals and support for the Soviet bloc countries.
The Right - or, at least, the anti-Communists in America - definitely screwed the pooch when it comes to Vietnam. But I think their mistakes were more of a misreading of the tea leaves and knee jerk Cold War thinking. Personally, I thinkmtheres damn few places worth getting 18 year old American boys killed over. Vietnam ain't one of them. But you have to look at it through the lens of Cold War thinking and it is understable how terrible mistakes were made that got us in that mess.
*In fact, Burns' treatment of Jane Fonda will be a litmus test. I think he's going to softsell her treasonous behavior and paint her in a somewhat sympathetic light. But, we'll see. I've loved everything he has done so far.
The Right - or, at least, the anti-Communists in America - definitely screwed the pooch when it comes to Vietnam. But I think their mistakes were more of a misreading of the tea leaves and knee jerk Cold War thinking. Personally, I thinkmtheres damn few places worth getting 18 year old American boys killed over. Vietnam ain't one of them. But you have to look at it through the lens of Cold War thinking and it is understable how terrible mistakes were made that got us in that mess.
*In fact, Burns' treatment of Jane Fonda will be a litmus test. I think he's going to softsell her treasonous behavior and paint her in a somewhat sympathetic light. But, we'll see. I've loved everything he has done so far.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by dr smartass phd on 9/18/17 at 8:52 pm to Meursault
1 through 5 are available right now
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by arktiger28 on 9/18/17 at 10:09 pm to Drank
By the time I get my kids to sleep and hit the recliner for this it puts me right to sleep. I'm not saying it is boring or bad by any means. Ken Burns docs just go at such a relaxing pace. I guess I need to try watching them earlier in the day.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by SEC. 593 on 9/18/17 at 11:26 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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They will never admit that Vietnam was, in fact, a winnable war.
The minute the US supported the French efforts to keep control it became an unwinnable war.
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re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by LSU alum wannabe on 9/19/17 at 8:00 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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More agenda-based slanted history garbage from Ken Burns? No thanks. Would rather watch a documentary on the history of paper clips
How many years must pass before this accusation can't be made? World War One?
I thought the first episode was pretty good. Too much footage from people who lived it to be poo-poo'ed in my opinion.
I did not know about the early stuff with the family in charge of that first province. I knew monks were burning themselves, but never heard the whole story as to why.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by GetCocky11 on 9/19/17 at 9:15 am to arktiger28
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By the time I get my kids to sleep and hit the recliner for this it puts me right to sleep. I'm not saying it is boring or bad by any means. Ken Burns docs just go at such a relaxing pace. I guess I need to try watching them earlier in the day.
I know exactly what you mean. I think the first 2 episodes have been great, but by the time I hit the couch at night to watch this after a long day, I'm fighting sleep hard.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by dr smartass phd on 9/19/17 at 9:45 am to GetCocky11
Episodes 3 and 4 are fantastic.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by BlackPawnMartyr on 9/19/17 at 9:56 am to dr smartass phd
Ive watched eps 1-3 and have been loving this series. Really enjoyed seeing Philip Caputo, a marine and writer of Rumor of War one of the best books ive read on this subject.
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re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by dr smartass phd on 9/19/17 at 10:14 am to BlackPawnMartyr
Burns covered Ia Drang very well
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by Othello on 9/19/17 at 11:21 am to SoFla Tideroller
That's just not true about British colonies fairing better. India was a huge fricking mess. Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) was a disaster and still is. There are many more examples. Bottom line is all countries got sick of their Western colonial masters and eventually fought for independence.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by Blue Velvet on 9/19/17 at 11:39 am to SoFla Tideroller
Please take your revisionist drivel to the poliboard.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by SoFla Tideroller on 9/19/17 at 2:54 pm to LSU alum wannabe
I've watched 1 & 2 so far. I like it a lot. He does a good job of illustrating how the US painted themselves into a corner by espousing independence and freedom for former colonial peoples while at the same time maintaining a hardline Cold War stance. Plus, the Korean War was successful enough (fighting back the Communists in Asia) it was easier to overlook these were entirely two different conflicts. Just a tragic chain of miscalculations and missteps got us where we were.
re: The Vietnam War (Ken Burns)Posted by SoFla Tideroller on 9/19/17 at 2:55 pm to Blue Velvet
Wtf are you talking about?
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