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Star Wars - A New Hope: How Flawed is it?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:32 pm
Discuss.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:33 pm to Freauxzen
Nobody ever goes to a Star at any point in the movies, so the biggest flaw is in the name
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:02 pm to Freauxzen
Dang. Letting the bitch Fest spill into a spinoff thread.
Popkerns
Popkerns
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:05 pm to The Eric
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Letting the bitch Fest spill into a spinoff thread.
No Bitch fest, I'm honestly intrigued by saying Star Wars is a flawed film. I don't see it.
Sure it has some flaws, nothing is perfect, but as a "flawed film" which to me means the core of the film doesn't work, I find that a strange reaction. If anything Star Wars is a near perfect film. Only something that focused and successful to its purpose can connect with culture to the degree that SW has.
(If you can't tell, this is more to get to that point AND to have the chance to discuss the purpose of films, what flaws really mean, etc. All good conversations to have outside of comic book films and Game of Thrones. We talk a lot of property geekdom, there's room for different discussions).
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:10 pm to Freauxzen
I thought it was a bit of a stretch that luke, a farm boy with very little experience, was able to get into an x-wing and dominate over other experienced fighters .
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:12 pm to Tactical1
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It's the best one.
No one thinks that. Clearly Empire is.
But a New Hope is pretty darn good.
"A film having flaws" is not the same as being a "flawed film"
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:13 pm to Fun Bunch
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"A film having flaws" is not the same as being a "flawed film"
I agree.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:14 pm to cjared036
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I thought it was a bit of a stretch that luke, a farm boy with very little experience, was able to get into an x-wing and dominate over other experienced fighters .
Don't know about that ... his father had only raced shitty pods ... and was able to get in a highly advanced fighter and buffoon his way to victory in a full-blown space battle. I highly doubt that young Ani could even see what the frick was going on.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:16 pm to cjared036
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I thought it was a bit of a stretch that luke, a farm boy with very little experience, was able to get into an x-wing and dominate over other experienced fighters .
Good assessment.
The movie's answer is two fold:
1) The Force
2) The Lineage
Luke was just better because it was in his blood to pilot a ship. Pure talent only gets you so far, but the Force then can help.
The Force is a little contrived for the purpose, it works, maybe not well enough. And it's surely convenient.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:24 pm to Freauxzen
My Uncle once told me he walked out of Star Wars saying something negative about the movie having a teddy bear (I shudder to think what he would have thought of ROTJ and Ewoks ), so I guess with so much of the film being alien in nature, that might limit it's accessibility.
I had all the toys, bed sheets, curtains, lunch boxes, etc. so the only flaw I see is that it spawned the prequels.
I had all the toys, bed sheets, curtains, lunch boxes, etc. so the only flaw I see is that it spawned the prequels.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:26 pm to TigerinATL
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My Uncle once told me he walked out of Star Wars saying something negative about the movie having a teddy bear
As good a reason as any I guess.
But certainly not a flaw.
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so I guess with so much of the film being alien in nature, that might limit it's accessibility.
But Star Wars is legitimately the most accessible fantasy/sci-fi (*grumble*) property to ever exist. The only thing that comes close is Star Trek (outside of modern Comic Book movies).
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:34 pm to Freauxzen
It's the classic unlikely hero journey mytbology. Ground breaking effects and and a future world that looked beat up and rough. It had humor and heart and a bad arse villain.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:36 pm to Freauxzen
I haven't seen A New Hope all the way through in a long time, so my memory will have to serve me well (and I don't think it will):
A New Hope is a relatively slow, meandering film with bad acting from much of the core cast. It's director is timid behind the camera, as I recall, with nothing to really make you think much was going on with the visual telling of the story other than to set up a scene so the actors can deliver lines. Instead, the director largely relies on visual effects to blow away the audience. In such a fashion, Lucas is more an engineer than a director. And then, for a film that was so dramatically advanced in terms of its visual effects, it has not aged nearly as well as other relatively contemporaneous sci-fi films (e.g. Blade Runner). As far as story goes, it had holes in it. One of them was how the shite Luke was a master X-Wing pilot as mentioned earlier. But there were others, I'm sure, that I do not remember.
Those are its flaws as I can remember. I remember being rather bored as a kid when watching it. It is something like how the Fellowship of the Ring is a bit of a bore in parts. The difference is that the Fellowship of the Ring is far better in every aspect (though no doubt thanks, in large part, to A New Hope's advancement in the area of visual effects).
All that said, it is not a flawed film. It works. And it does what so many films fail to do: set up a new universe that no one had any background in and weave elements of mythology, religion, action, adventure, comedy, romance, and all the other wonderful things it has in it. Despite its flaws, it is a marvel in filmmaking.
A New Hope is a relatively slow, meandering film with bad acting from much of the core cast. It's director is timid behind the camera, as I recall, with nothing to really make you think much was going on with the visual telling of the story other than to set up a scene so the actors can deliver lines. Instead, the director largely relies on visual effects to blow away the audience. In such a fashion, Lucas is more an engineer than a director. And then, for a film that was so dramatically advanced in terms of its visual effects, it has not aged nearly as well as other relatively contemporaneous sci-fi films (e.g. Blade Runner). As far as story goes, it had holes in it. One of them was how the shite Luke was a master X-Wing pilot as mentioned earlier. But there were others, I'm sure, that I do not remember.
Those are its flaws as I can remember. I remember being rather bored as a kid when watching it. It is something like how the Fellowship of the Ring is a bit of a bore in parts. The difference is that the Fellowship of the Ring is far better in every aspect (though no doubt thanks, in large part, to A New Hope's advancement in the area of visual effects).
All that said, it is not a flawed film. It works. And it does what so many films fail to do: set up a new universe that no one had any background in and weave elements of mythology, religion, action, adventure, comedy, romance, and all the other wonderful things it has in it. Despite its flaws, it is a marvel in filmmaking.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:41 pm to TigerinATL
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I had all the toys, bed sheets, curtains, lunch boxes, etc. so the only flaw I see is that it spawned the prequels.
You just brought back a memory for me. I had completely forgotten about the bed sheets, but I had those too.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:42 pm to Tactical1
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It's the best one.
Empire
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:43 pm to Freauxzen
Biggest Flaw: That Luke got two torpedoes to bend at a 90 degree angle, and then magically fly straight for the entire radius of the Death Star, and that both torpedoes went into a hole about the size of a womprat.....at the same time.
Without the aide of a targeting computer.
Without the aide of a targeting computer.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:48 pm to Freauxzen
I'm told that I saw Star Wars at a drive-in theater ... (I would have only been 2 at the time.)
One part that I always laugh at .... is when Vader strikes down Ben Kenobi ... and then kicks at his robes on the ground with his foot.
One question that has never been answered ... than I am aware of: How do you get "Ben" from "Obi Wan" ?
One part that I always laugh at .... is when Vader strikes down Ben Kenobi ... and then kicks at his robes on the ground with his foot.
One question that has never been answered ... than I am aware of: How do you get "Ben" from "Obi Wan" ?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:48 pm to LoveThatMoney
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it has not aged nearly as well as other relatively contemporaneous sci-fi films (e.g. Blade Runner).
Blade Runner's effects have not aged well at all compared to the original Star Wars effects.
The stuff in Star Wars that looks bad now is the late 90s CGI that got crammed in for the special editions.
(admitted Blade Runner hater)
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