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I watched it right after metamorphosis . Some of bone's best lines are in this one. "I'm a doctor not an escalator."

This had parts that reminded me of Arena (and was clearly shot in the same place in Southern Cali). They were trying to survive and made weapons from the things that they found...and did some hiding.


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oochie, woochie, coochie, coo?

Liked this episode, and it didn't hurt having Julie Newmar to look at.


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This was a solid episode. It was good to see McCoy as the focus of a woman's attention rather than Kirk.

Also a good Scotty episode as he commanded the Enterprise.

The aliens were also well done. They could have easily come off as cartoonish, but Maab and Eleen were interesting characters.

"Say to yourself, the child is mine. The child is mine. It is mine!"
"Yes, it's yours.'"



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This was a solid episode. It was good to see McCoy as the focus of a woman's attention rather than Kirk.


It was clear they consciously made the change up to try to avoid the notion that Kirk was just trolling for booty around the galaxy.

And I suppose, it made it easy that these guys were relatively confirmed bachelors - McCoy and Scotty, particularly, in their-mid 40s with no attachments.

And, production-wise, we don't even know that Spock is married yet. All we know is that he had somewhat of a dalliance with a human gal at one point. We know that Kirk is a hound with somewhat of a reputation in Starfleet.

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The aliens were also well done. They could have easily come off as cartoonish, but Maab and Eleen were interesting characters.


I agree and I strongly believe that elements of this particular race were incorporated into the TNG/DS9 Klingon post-advent "revision" - watching this episode (which also, coincidentally includes a Klingon) makes it extremely clear. The Klingon could almost have been a Ferengi next to the Capellans.

Of course, I have no link or reference to support this - just a hunch. Whoever was tasked on revising/updating the Klingons would have, at least, reviewed all the TOS episodes containing Klingons, wouldn't they? So, it at least makes sense.

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"Say to yourself, the child is mine. The child is mine. It is mine!"
"Yes, it's yours.'"


One of the best punchlines by a guest in all of TOS.


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*WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS?*

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The Enterprise is intercepted by a super powerful being - the last of his race, who visited and lived on the Earth during the peak of Greek Civilization. Worshipped as gods, this particular individual was known as the Greek god "Apollo".

Following a plot inspired by Greek tragedies, Apollo falls for a female crewmember and ends his existence after realizing that human beings no longer need gods.

(And the female, Lieutenant Carolyn Palamas, was played by Leslie Parrish - )

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Production note: Jon Voight was considered for the role of Apollo.

The role instead went to Michael Forest, a veteran television actor.
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The Enterprise is intercepted by a super powerful being - the last of his race, who visited and lived on the Earth during the peak of Greek Civilization. Worshipped as gods, this particular individual was known as the Greek god "Apollo".
Really liked this concept and this episode. Also thought the regret Kirk shows at the end for having pushed "Apollo" over the edge was a nice touch.


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Also thought the regret Kirk shows at the end for having pushed "Apollo" over the edge was a nice touch.



The regret that he and McCoy showed kind of added to the tragic ending. It had to be done, but it was unfortunate.


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Ice storm bump


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Here is strange trivia from the episode - Leslie Parrish (Palamas) wore the same gown in an episode of Mannix in 1968.

Weird.

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Hellava gown


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Good episode. Tragic and thought-provoking. Apollo is a sympathetic character and pitiful despite his great power. He can hardly talk to the crew without mentioning his long-gone companions and desperately wants to recreate the past with them.

This was also a well-acted episode, particularly by Forest. Without a good performance from him, the credibility of the entire episode would suffer. He reprises his role of Apollo in the Star Trek fan fim "Pilgrim of Eternity."

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This was also a well-acted episode, particularly by Forest.


It was a little change up for the landing party - swapping Chekov for Spock. He had a couple of good lines, including, "And I'm the Czar (Tsar) of all the Russias."


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There's also a pretty good stunt in this one when Scotty is struck by Apollo and is sent flying backward.


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There's also a pretty good stunt in this one when Scotty is struck by Apollo and is sent flying backward.




Good catch. Jay D. "Jimmy" Jones was Doohan's stunt double for this - he suffered a concussion doing the stunt. We started this thread with "Catspaw" and Jones was Jackson, and did the fall from the transporter pad. He often doubled Doohan for stunts. He as also severely injured in a stunt during "The Apple", where he plays Mallory.


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Mannix


Pulling that from the Sunday night wayback machine.


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Pulling that from the Sunday night wayback machine.


Heck, I remember when Mannix was in first run. Mike Connors is of Armenian extraction - I guess the eyebrows should have been a tip off.

Just weird that the same gal would appear in a Sci-Fi series, then a detective show, and wear the same ancient era gown.
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Heck, I remember when Mannix was in first run.



You remember what came on after Mannix?


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You remember what came on after Mannix?


The news?

It was between New Perry Mason and Barnaby Jones for a couple of seasons.


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