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re: Spinoff: What if the Star Wars canon is wrong?

Posted on 8/30/15 at 11:34 am to
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 11:34 am to
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Outside of Vader using the Death Star to blow up Alderan, the OT never really goes into much detail as to what the Rebellion is really about. They keep telling you that empire is evil, but the details are sparse.




Outside of the whole Holocaust thing, Hitler was a pretty good guy.
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 11:40 am to
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 11:48 am to
That was pretty good
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:05 pm to
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Imagine if GRRM was the leader of the Star Wars universe


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We'd have info on every corner of the Galaxy


And we would only just now be getting a third film in 40 years.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:18 pm to
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And we would only just now be getting a third film in 40 years.


But who would be the characters to root for after Luke, Leia, Han Solo, Chewie, Obi-Wan and Lando are all dead by the second movie.

Sorry but I'm not watching the 3rd film to see how Wedge and Sullustan get revenge.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:36 pm to
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. So you are saying, that besides the whole Sith Lord masterminding a civil war that cost millions of lives including murdering hundreds of Jedi, dissolving a democratic republic before establishing himself as a dictator, as well as the afore mentioned mass extinction event of an entire planet, we really don't know who is truly good and who is truly evil?

But before that, the Jedi had previously hunted the sith to near extinction. The only remaining Sith had to be in hiding for decades (Palpatine, etc) in order to carry out their plan to escape from the murderous clutches of the Jedi and give themselves some glimpse of security. Anakin stumbles upon this argument himself, that the Jedi have been forcing the Sith down and destroying their way of life because they have different viewpoints than the Jedi and attempt to use the force in ways that the Jedi do not approve of. The average Jedi doesn't think of that, but Mace Windu said as much to Anakin when he was fighting Palpatine.

I'd agree that the Sith are not the "good guys" in Star Wars, because they did commit genocide and one wrong doesn't discount another wrong committed by the Jedi against them. But it's worth arguing that the Jedi had become biased, controlling, unethical, and had lost the main ways of their order, at least in regards to the actions of the Jedi masters. The Jedi had become manipulative and forced their way into some things that were not their business.

And I think the idea of good in regards to the force is that there must be a balance. I don't think the Jedi themselves are a balance, as the power of the force led them to become controlling and unethical like I said. Anakin actually brought balance to the force by essentially eliminating both orders, since he was the only remaining Jedi or Sith at the end of the original canon
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:42 pm to
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Only remaining Jedi or Sith at the end of the original canon

For purposes of creating new movies and stuff, they're gonna have to create new Sith and new Jedis. In the telling of the story from the new movies, they'll say that some of these Sith or Jedi may have been in hiding at the end of the original trilogy. For my purposes, I'm only including the canon of the 1st-6th movies, since the idea that "Anakin brought balance to the force" can't be true if a new threat to balance existed at the time that balance was brought to the force

Also: I really hope someone understands what I'm saying besides me
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:59 pm to
The word Sith was never once mentioned in the OT.
Posted by phantom70815
Walker, U.S.A
Member since Jan 2010
1389 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 2:13 pm to
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Jedi Council similar to the Knights of the round table where no one sits at the head, and no individual is "in charge?" They delegated amongst themselves, and voted accordingly. Also, aren't the Jedi known as guardians of peace? Palpatine was clearly the leader of the Sith, and the lesson was absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 4:24 pm
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14414 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 4:04 pm to
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Outside of Vader using the Death Star to blow up Alderan, the OT never really goes into much detail as to what the Rebellion is really about. They keep telling you that empire is evil, but the details are sparse.




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Outside of the whole Holocaust thing, Hitler was a pretty good guy.



Outside of taking down the WTC, the Taliban were just freedom fighters. Hell, Rambo even helped them out.


Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 5:07 pm to
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They keep telling you that empire is evil, but the details are sparse.


Imperialist totalitarian dictatorship ruled by shadow puppet governments through force, intimidation, and fear.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 5:12 pm to
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For purposes of creating new movies and stuff, they're gonna have to create new Sith and new Jedis.


One current theory is that the force awakens is a term meaning many are becoming force aware. As sort of universal reboot. Anikan slaughtered the vast majority of Jedi, Luke killed the remaining force aware power houses, leaving him the sole force aware trained person. With the rapid death and dispersment of the force some people would feel the force and have no idea what it is and no training leading them to learn and interpret on their own or be controlled by no force aware teachers
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 5:13 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:40 pm to
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So you are saying, that besides the whole Sith Lord masterminding a civil war that cost millions of lives including murdering hundreds of Jedi, dissolving a democratic republic before establishing himself as a dictator,


This is from the prequels, and not the original trilogy. My post is from the viewpoint of watching those movies first.

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as well as the afore mentioned mass extinction event of an entire planet,


Other than knowing that Leia's people lived there, we are told nothing else about that planet. Some of the other planets are shown to be primitive or sparsely populated. Many of which have nothing more than a base or colony. Therefore, it is plausible that The Empire may simply be wiping out a small group of Rebel sympathizers. If you are looking at it from the standpoint mentioned in the OP, then how does destroying a potential Rebel strong hold make them truly evil?
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