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Should Ultron return to the MCU?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:57 pm
Ultron is a Top 10 villain in comics as a whole and is probably the most terrifying. He's a mass murdering, highly unstable, genocidal maniac with bizarre sexual fetishes and is a robot on top of that who can't truly be killed. He was such a let down in AoU since all he does is kill a few scientists and a lackluster Quicksilver. He should have leveled a city or two.
I really think Ultron being neutered can be blamed largely on the publics reaction to "Man of Steel", where Superman just triumphantly leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, with the director seemingly being totally oblivious to this. It's not that the violence isn't the focus so much as "look how fricking badass Superman looks".
Now with Logan and Deadpool proving that if you use mass violence correctly that it can be entertaining, why not bring Ultron back and take him to that level? They got most of his character traits right. The MCU has already established you can back up your mind on a computer, and it seems impossible to me that Ultron would not have done this hundreds of times over.
Let's say if in "Infinity Wars" Hank Pym reboots Ultron when it seems the world will be lost to Thanos, and then Ultron comes out trying to annihilating everyone including Thanos. I really hope the cliffhanger to "Infinity Wars Part 1" is Ultron being reawoken setting up The Avengers vs Thanos vs Ultron.
Thoughts?
I really think Ultron being neutered can be blamed largely on the publics reaction to "Man of Steel", where Superman just triumphantly leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, with the director seemingly being totally oblivious to this. It's not that the violence isn't the focus so much as "look how fricking badass Superman looks".
Now with Logan and Deadpool proving that if you use mass violence correctly that it can be entertaining, why not bring Ultron back and take him to that level? They got most of his character traits right. The MCU has already established you can back up your mind on a computer, and it seems impossible to me that Ultron would not have done this hundreds of times over.
Let's say if in "Infinity Wars" Hank Pym reboots Ultron when it seems the world will be lost to Thanos, and then Ultron comes out trying to annihilating everyone including Thanos. I really hope the cliffhanger to "Infinity Wars Part 1" is Ultron being reawoken setting up The Avengers vs Thanos vs Ultron.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:02 pm
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:00 pm to OMLandshark
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Now with Logan and Deadpool proving that if you use mass violence correctly that it can be entertaining,
I don't think Marvel is ready to go rated R. Their formula is working fine now, no need to change it.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:01 pm to Brosef Stalin
Not necessarily R, but you can have mass murder and get away with it. Like say any given Star Wars movie. They don't seem to have any issue with it.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:03 pm to OMLandshark
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He should have leveled a city or two.
To be fair, he did level Novi Grad, Sokovia.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:04 pm to Master of Sinanju
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To be fair, he did level Novi Grad, Sokovia
But only one person died.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:12 pm to OMLandshark
It wouldn't surprise me if Marvel already has him planned to return in Infinity Wars
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:19 pm to OMLandshark
I would much rather see Kang if they did him right. He's a significantly richer character in my opinion. Only problem is I doubt they could do him justice in one movie.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:24 pm to OMLandshark
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Now with Logan and Deadpool proving that if you use mass violence correctly that it can be entertaining, why not bring Ultron back and take him to that level
Because it's owned by Disney, and they don't want 'violent' movies. They're content with the safe, family friendly films.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to OMLandshark
They did use the cinematic rule of "if you didn't see him die, he's not necessarily dead." I'm in the minority in liking AoU but he was underutilized. I could see him making a comeback.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:26 pm to RLDSC FAN
Well, they've wiped out tons of people with Star Wars so far. They're owned by Disney. So why not?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:26 pm to OMLandshark
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To be fair, he did level Novi Grad, Sokovia
But only one person died.
MOS definitely played a major role. It's simply laughable how they went out of their way to show no one being injured. It was jarring and unnecessary.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:28 pm to RLDSC FAN
Fricking DC, man. Not only are they ruining their own movies, but their crappiness is rubbing off on others.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:38 pm to OMLandshark
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Well, they've wiped out tons of people with Star Wars so far.
This may sound odd, but I believe the difference is that Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Marvel and DC exist pretty much during our time on our planet.
Star Wars gives you a greater disconnect than comic based movies.
ETA: I like Ultron as a villain, but he's had his shot. There are a lot more villains which can be used.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:42 pm to Darkknight
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ETA: I like Ultron as a villain, but he's had his shot. There are a lot more villains which can be used.
It's kind of how I feel about Lex Luthor: we haven't seen the real him on stage. Ultron and Thanos are the two ultimate threats in Marvel over anyone else (if Dr Doom and Galactus are excluded). I want the super violent Ultron that was promised to us in the trailers. Fortunately he was cast correctly and can be given another shot.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:57 pm to OMLandshark
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Ultron and Thanos are the two ultimate threats in Marvel over anyone else (if Dr Doom and Galactus are excluded).
Kang, Mephisto and Annihilus come to mind. And none of these have been in any movie that I remember.
I'd really like to see Korvac as a main villain. He's as powerful than any of them.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:59 pm to OMLandshark
I'm still pissed the MCU doesn't have the Fantastic 4 and Doom. They're pillars of Marvel and Fox has continuously destroyed them.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 4:09 pm to Darkknight
Kang I'm thinking should be Avengers 4. I think Infinity War should encompass everything to date, which is why I think Ultron would be better there than to be the main villain of a separate movie. Maybe he can work out for Ant Man 3, but that's it.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 6:45 pm to OMLandshark
I just want them to live up to the promise of the Ultron trailers: LINK
What do you mean take hope from them first? When you enacted your doomsday plan, only the Avengers knew about you. Why not kill everyone in a major city, broadcast the footage worldwide, say this is Tony Stark's fault for creating him, and then say he's coming for their cities next.
And then there's Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Someone how they don't know that this guy is a genocidal psychopath, despite the very first scene he's in front of them threatening the very concept of children. Yeah, a guy who mocks children as a concept and wishes to destroy them is probably a guy who wants to wipe out humanity. It would have made it so easy for them to actually want to be with Ultron due to how humanity tortured them, but then betray him when they see Ultron brutally murdering children. Instead they come off as a bunch of retards.
What do you mean take hope from them first? When you enacted your doomsday plan, only the Avengers knew about you. Why not kill everyone in a major city, broadcast the footage worldwide, say this is Tony Stark's fault for creating him, and then say he's coming for their cities next.
And then there's Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Someone how they don't know that this guy is a genocidal psychopath, despite the very first scene he's in front of them threatening the very concept of children. Yeah, a guy who mocks children as a concept and wishes to destroy them is probably a guy who wants to wipe out humanity. It would have made it so easy for them to actually want to be with Ultron due to how humanity tortured them, but then betray him when they see Ultron brutally murdering children. Instead they come off as a bunch of retards.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 6:52 pm to Darkknight
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Kang, Mephisto and Annihilus come to mind. And none of these have been in any movie that I remember.
I'd really like to see Korvac as a main villain. He's as powerful than any of them.
All of this.
I'd be ok with Ultron or Skull coming back, but there are some great big screen villains available as well.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:47 pm to StealthCalais11
quote:I expect Red Skull to show up there, as a Thanos lieutenant. It's completely laid out in front of us:
It wouldn't surprise me if Marvel already has him planned to return in Infinity Wars
a) Capt America didn't kill him, he dematerialized while holding the Tesseract.
b) He was the big chief of Hydra, which is the bad guy group of the MCU. Not just CA, but a big focus of AOS, and an underlying theme in Avengers 2.
c) Thanos needs a new underling after Ronin killed the last guy, and Loki went back to Asgaard. He also could use a little intel on what's going on, on Earth... otherwise you could say we're just a little too small and backwater for him to worry about. Xandar and the other worlds of GOTG- those would seem to be a bit more challenging and enticing then us. If the Red Skull is secretly still pulling the Hydra strings (via wormhole tech maybe), he'd have all of Hydra's intel, and that would be the reason Thanos comes down here.
d) Cap needs a suitable reason to rejoin the fold. Remember, he's off the reservation now; not playing ball with the UN or the US government. For entertainment purposes he also needs a good villain, since he's redeemed Bucky. The "man out of time" would be perfectly opposed by the return of the Skull, a guy only he knows how to deal with.
If Red Skull resurfaces in Infinity Wars, that might make the stage too big to add in Ultron too.
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