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Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:54 am to Mouth
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I am listening to it.
Just finished episode 3 (Jays Day)
The findings on the cops coaching Jay are unreal.
Wait until you get to the stuff with the car and the autopsy.
With no hyperbole, this is an entirely fair summary of the state's case:
-no part of it conforms with reality
-virtually no part of it was conducted according to any accepted professional standard
How did you like the discovery that neither the Hae interview nor the Hae note to Don were from the day of her disappearance? Simple detective work by 3 attorneys 16 years later uncovered simple facts like these which were either ignored or suppressed originally. It's mind-boggling.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
the lack of investigative work is baffling.
it was clearly a witch hunt for Adnan, and the cops used the actual killer(Jay) to execute said witch hunt.
what is your motive for Jay?
My motive was his jealousy of Adnan's relationship with Stephanie.
Borrowing his phone and car to get the present for Stephanie was an easy way to frame Adnan.
Jenn hating Hae also made for an easy way to get the help from someone else.
Picking up Adnan after track practice to hang out and return the phone/car is an excuse that puts them together that day, so he could tell the cops that is when they buried the body.
case closed.
I am looking forward to the rest of Undisclosed pod.
it was clearly a witch hunt for Adnan, and the cops used the actual killer(Jay) to execute said witch hunt.
what is your motive for Jay?
My motive was his jealousy of Adnan's relationship with Stephanie.
Borrowing his phone and car to get the present for Stephanie was an easy way to frame Adnan.
Jenn hating Hae also made for an easy way to get the help from someone else.
Picking up Adnan after track practice to hang out and return the phone/car is an excuse that puts them together that day, so he could tell the cops that is when they buried the body.
case closed.
I am looking forward to the rest of Undisclosed pod.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:24 pm to Mouth
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what is your motive for Jay?
I'm not sure. I heard it floated at one point that Jay was cheating on Stephanie and Hae was going to tell her.
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Borrowing his phone and car to get the present for Stephanie was an easy way to frame Adnan.
You might not have gotten to this yet, but they put a fine point on the nuance that Jay didn't really borrow the phone. Rather, phones were not allowed at school and so Adnan left it in the glovebox. I know that seems small, but it does seem as if at least some hay was made out of "well, why would a guy get a new phone and then lend it to someone else?". Answer: he didn't really.
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Jenn hating Hae also made for an easy way to get the help from someone else.
I think Jenn is WAY involved in this thing. You'll see that she has done plenty of lying herself.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 7:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
Just read Jays interview on Intercept. It's 3 parts. Google it. No link, on my phone.
It's soft ball questions but worth a read.
It's soft ball questions but worth a read.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 3:52 pm to Mouth
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Just read Jays interview on Intercept. It's 3 parts. Google it. No link, on my phone.
It's soft ball questions but worth a read.
Yeah, that was from back in the winter. I was actually shocked at how credulous the Intercept was, given how their entire thing is supposedly to root out institutional bullshite. They also did an interview with Urick - the scumbag prosecutor who I really hope gets in hot water over his continued lies.
Are you current on Episode 8 of Undisclosed? Episode 7 was all about the bail hearing. Unbelievably, the detectives LIED to Adnan when they first took him into custody and told them he was facing capital murder charges. He was not. He was 17. They were attempting to coerce a confession out of him, which they never got. However, this led to bail being denied, which greatly influenced his ability to successfully argue his case.
I still think Jenn is heavily involved. She would be smart to start lawyering up.
Episode 8 derails all of the supposed "cell tower evidence". There was none. All the cell towers prove is how much Jay lied.
I have shifted to 75% chance Adnan is entirely uninvolved and Jay did it.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
bump for recent update...
LINK
The judge has given very broad leeway for the hearing. My prediction is that Adnan's team will basically be able to bring up almost everything they want to. I believe he will - at the very least - get a new trial. If that happens, then one would assume he will get bail and get out while his case is being prepared. I think it's even more likely he simply walks.
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Baltimore Circuit Court Judge Martin Welch on Friday granted a request to reopen Syed's case.
The post-conviction hearing will focus on potential new evidence, according to Justin Brown, the attorney for Syed.
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The hearing will examine whether Syed's previous legal representation was inadequate, possible alibi testimony from Asia McClain, a former high school classmate of Syed and Lee, and claims of misconduct by prosecutors for alleged misuse of cell tower data, according to Brown.
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The hearing will look at the reliability of cell tower data and its accuracy in location detection. In the original case, prosecutors argued that two incoming phone calls made to Syed's cellphone placed him at the site of where Lee's body was buried at the time of her disappearance.
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The judge has given very broad leeway for the hearing. My prediction is that Adnan's team will basically be able to bring up almost everything they want to. I believe he will - at the very least - get a new trial. If that happens, then one would assume he will get bail and get out while his case is being prepared. I think it's even more likely he simply walks.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:43 am to Big Scrub TX
I'm blown away by all of this. I marathoned the Serial podcast right when the last episodes were coming out. Like many I was leaning towards Adnan being innocent...with the evidence not strong enough to support a conviction. This case is an example of real life being stranger than fiction.
In the last 2 weeks I've caught up on Undisclosed. It's really disturbing how screwed Adnan was. Crooked cops and prosecution. A witness who lies every times he talks, including 7 different versions of what happened the night of the murder.
And then top it all off with a defense attorney that is either straight up crooked at worst or completely incompetent at best. And this is a defense attorney that had a stellar reputation at the time only to be disbarred later. It was literally like thinking you hired Matlock and ending up with Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld.
It's so outrageous and out of the norm that it almost sounds like a crazy conspiracy theorist's story when laying out the facts.
At this point I don't even firmly believe Jay was actually involved in the murder. It wouldn't be the first time the cops in this case took someone without any connection to the case and made them a star witness by threatening to prosecute them for an unrelated crime. The things the Baltimore judicial system has been proven to have done in that time period are absolutely criminal.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this case continues.
In the last 2 weeks I've caught up on Undisclosed. It's really disturbing how screwed Adnan was. Crooked cops and prosecution. A witness who lies every times he talks, including 7 different versions of what happened the night of the murder.
And then top it all off with a defense attorney that is either straight up crooked at worst or completely incompetent at best. And this is a defense attorney that had a stellar reputation at the time only to be disbarred later. It was literally like thinking you hired Matlock and ending up with Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld.
It's so outrageous and out of the norm that it almost sounds like a crazy conspiracy theorist's story when laying out the facts.
At this point I don't even firmly believe Jay was actually involved in the murder. It wouldn't be the first time the cops in this case took someone without any connection to the case and made them a star witness by threatening to prosecute them for an unrelated crime. The things the Baltimore judicial system has been proven to have done in that time period are absolutely criminal.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this case continues.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:49 am to Dave Worth
Listening to Undisclosed as well. I still need to listen to the episode about the lawyer that screwed it all up.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:58 am to itawambadog
quote:Without giving too much away, it's pretty interesting, such as working in Maine and Puerto Rico around the time of Adnan's trial.
Listening to Undisclosed as well. I still need to listen to the episode about the lawyer that screwed it all up.
I really appreciate their presentation of "Tina." They could have easily made her out to be some completely incompetent or corrupt lawyer that had no regard for Adnan or clients.
They presented her as a complicated indivdual with many flaws and problems, but also a lawyer who had done great work over her career and appeared to truly care about her clients.
Quality work on their part.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:01 am to Dave Worth
quote:See I think the podcast did a good showing that this was likely the case later in her career, she was a great lawyer at one time.
And then top it all off with a defense attorney that is either straight up crooked at worst or completely incompetent at best
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:31 am to buckeye_vol
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I really appreciate their presentation of "Tina." They could have easily made her out to be some completely incompetent or corrupt lawyer that had no regard for Adnan or clients.
They presented her as a complicated indivdual with many flaws and problems, but also a lawyer who had done great work over her career and appeared to truly care about her clients.
Quality work on their part.
Agreed. There have been accusations in these threads about the "biased" presentation on Undisclosed. Clearly, at least one of the participants is highly, personally and emotionally invested. But I think they have done a great job of being objective. Re Gutierrez, they present the full life of a flawed woman who was likely dealing with a crippling physical/mental disability in her final harried years. They don't dance on her grave at all.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:35 am to Dave Worth
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At this point I don't even firmly believe Jay was actually involved in the murder.
I'm not quite ready to go this far, but I do see where you are coming from.
My prediction is that Adnan is offered and accepts an Alford Plea - which effectively gets him out of prison, yet preserves the prosecutor's record. Presumably, this would foreclose his ability to sue the state/Urick, right?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:36 am to Dave Worth
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It was literally like thinking you hired Matlock and ending up with Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld.
Minor quibble: I don't believe Jackie Chiles was ever presented as incompetent. His many public humiliations came at the hands of Kramer screwing things up in the end. (accepting the Marlboro offer immediately, getting the braless wonder to try on the bra, etc.)
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:45 am to Big Scrub TX
Initially, after listening to Serial I thought that there was no way Adnan should have been convicted, but that there was still a large likelihood that he was involved in the murder. (Serial couldn't explain how Jay knew what he did etc.)
But after listening to Undisclosed (I've listened to about half of it), I think it is more likely than not that Adnon is an innocent man who has spent 16 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. That sucks for him.
But after listening to Undisclosed (I've listened to about half of it), I think it is more likely than not that Adnon is an innocent man who has spent 16 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. That sucks for him.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 12:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
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My prediction is that Adnan is offered and accepts an Alford Plea - which effectively gets him out of prison, yet preserves the prosecutor's record. Presumably, this would foreclose his ability to sue the state/Urick, right?
That's pretty much what the West Memphis 3 had to do.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 12:40 pm to itawambadog
I also find it interesting that Hae went almost an entire month without depositing her checks and her account was pretty much dry before her murder. Anyone know where that money went to?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 12:58 pm to itawambadog
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I also find it interesting that Hae went almost an entire month without depositing her checks and her account was pretty much dry before her murder. Anyone know where that money went to?
I actually don't remember that. Was that in Serial or Undisclosed?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 1:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
I believe they mentioned this on Undisclosed.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 1:22 pm to itawambadog
Do you think the defense is simply going to push play on Undisclosed for the judge's benefit at the hearing?
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