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Question for Game of Thrones book readers (Spoilers)
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:26 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:26 am
You might have more insight into this answer than those of us who don't read the series.
Why if she ran away with Rhaegar did Lyanna not at least send a raven to her family letting them know that everything was okay? Was it out of embarrassment or fear of reprisal from Robert Baratheon that she chose not to inform her eldest brother or father of what was going on? Because...if they ran away together for love, you would think that everything could have been avoided if someone would have said something before things escalated as they did.
Why if she ran away with Rhaegar did Lyanna not at least send a raven to her family letting them know that everything was okay? Was it out of embarrassment or fear of reprisal from Robert Baratheon that she chose not to inform her eldest brother or father of what was going on? Because...if they ran away together for love, you would think that everything could have been avoided if someone would have said something before things escalated as they did.
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:39 am to RollTide1987
I have a Crackpot theory on this. Lyanna did send a raven, and it was to her brother Brandon. Brandon at the time was in Riverrun, where he just carved up a young Littlefinger. While LF was being healed in the Maesters room, a raven arrives. LF gets up from his bed, reads it, and then throws it into the fireplace from there as a "frick you" to the Starks. From there Catelyn's betrothed is killed and a dynasty falls due to him burning the letter. This radically turns LF's views on society as a whole, and quickly realizes what the burning of that letter did.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:53 am to OMLandshark
This^
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:59 am to OMLandshark
If that's the case, then Littlefinger is more than likely aware (or at least suspicious) of Jon Snow's true lineage. Hence the look he gave Sansa in the crypt below Winterfell when she recounted the story concerning the death of her aunt.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:02 am to OMLandshark
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LF gets up from his bed, reads it, and then throws it into the fireplace
Wow, this thought never even occurred to me. That's really well thought out. It's been a long time since I have read the books but your theory makes me want to revisit them. I was waiting until the next book to do another read through, but I guess I might as well give up on that.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:04 am to RollTide1987
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Littlefinger is more than likely aware (or at least suspicious) of Jon Snow's true lineage
I subscribe to this as well
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:11 am to Carson123987
If John Snow doesn't end up on the throne, I want it to be Littlefinger. The amount of chaos he has caused is amazing. The side of me that roots for bad guys thinks he deserves it for his efforts.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:17 am to Ham Solo
He is definitely the true villain in all of this madness. He was responsible for a war (perhaps even two wars) that claimed thousands upon thousands of lives, and plunged the Seven Kingdoms into chaos and civil war. His ultimate goal is to sit upon the Iron Throne. He may end up doing just that. But he picked the absolute worst time imaginable to unleash his megalomaniacal scheme. The Night King is moving south and I don't think Littlefinger's plan accounted for that level of magic and evil.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 1:18 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:17 am to Ham Solo
Damn near every conflict in GoT is a result of Littlefinger and the Spider.
Pretty impressive
Chaos is a ladder
Pretty impressive
Chaos is a ladder
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:22 am to Ham Solo
Not sure if you're a reader, but he is easily the best character in the books. The show has made him into some moustache twirling caricature of himself. One of my biggest issues with it. Most of my favorite book moments involve him. Dude is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers
Posted on 6/25/17 at 1:24 am to Carson123987
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Not sure if you're a reader, but he is easily the best character in the books.
Yeah, I have read them, but it's been a while. He is awesome in the books. I love the crafty, mastermind type characters.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:00 am to jefforize
I'm on the middle of A Dance With Dragons and possibly ice just missed it but it doesn't tough too much on what Varys has done. Sure I can find some things directly related to his meddling but I can't think of anything major at the moment.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 4:36 am to RollTide1987
Littlefinger is 100% responsible for no one finding out that Lyanna was OK and that the two were actually in love. Whether or not the show chooses to illustrate this is another question.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:22 am to OMLandshark
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I have a Crackpot theory on this. Lyanna did send a raven, and it was to her brother Brandon. Brandon at the time was in Riverrun, where he just carved up a young Littlefinger. While LF was being healed in the Maesters room, a raven arrives. LF gets up from his bed, reads it, and then throws it into the fireplace from there as a "frick you" to the Starks. From there Catelyn's betrothed is killed and a dynasty falls due to him burning the letter. This radically turns LF's views on society as a whole, and quickly realizes what the burning of that letter did.
Holy shite. I now want this to be cannon. I like this much more than the reveal that Littlefinger had Jon Arryn killed, which I was never a huge fan of.
It would also make the following more justifiable (if he actually does know):
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If that's the case, then Littlefinger is more than likely aware (or at least suspicious) of Jon Snow's true lineage. Hence the look he gave Sansa in the crypt below Winterfell when she recounted the story concerning the death of her aunt.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 6:24 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:25 am to Ham Solo
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If John Snow doesn't end up on the throne, I want it to be Littlefinger. The amount of chaos he has caused is amazing. The side of me that roots for bad guys thinks he deserves it for his efforts.
If Littlefinger ends up on the throne, I hope the White Walkers win.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:39 am to Carson123987
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The show has made him into some moustache twirling caricature of himself.
I find some of your "hot takes" hilarious.
The show has certainly not done that
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:53 am to cascadia
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what Varys has done.
Just wait. You'll find out as you get to the end of ADWD
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:07 am to OMLandshark
Not bad, only Brandon was on the way to Riverrun to his wedding when he heard that Lyanna was missing, and turned his horse to King's Landing. That means Petyr was long gone, having been sent back to the Fingers because of the mess he stirred up.
I don't think Lyanna was able to send a raven because there was not a maester at the tower. Not only that she was guarded by men of the Kingsguard.
Also Lyanna was known to be pretty rebellious, and she was only 15 at the time of her running away. That girl doesn't want to send a raven, she wants to do what she wants to do.
I don't think Lyanna was able to send a raven because there was not a maester at the tower. Not only that she was guarded by men of the Kingsguard.
Also Lyanna was known to be pretty rebellious, and she was only 15 at the time of her running away. That girl doesn't want to send a raven, she wants to do what she wants to do.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:12 am to RollTide1987
Makes me wonder what's going to happen this season with LF, especially since they show Jon grabbing him by the neck in the trailer.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:56 am to OMLandshark
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I have a Crackpot theory on this. Lyanna did send a raven, and it was to her brother Brandon. Brandon at the time was in Riverrun, where he just carved up a young Littlefinger. While LF was being healed in the Maesters room, a raven arrives. LF gets up from his bed, reads it, and then throws it into the fireplace from there as a "frick you" to the Starks. From there Catelyn's betrothed is killed and a dynasty falls due to him burning the letter. This radically turns LF's views on society as a whole, and quickly realizes what the burning of that letter did.
So one question. Why would Lyanna send the raven to Riverrun? I feel that it would just make more sense to send it to Winterfell. Even if she only wants Brandon to see it, it seems like it would be a bit of a reach that she would send the raven to somebody else's home. I guess she may have wanted to get in touch with Brandon in a hurry, since he clearly wasn't going to have a calm reaction to her "kidnapping."
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 8:57 am
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