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H-Town Tiger
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013

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Yeah, I don't really think that Hannibal Lector (at least from Silence of the Lambs), is a villain. He has a villainous nature to be sure, but he's not the antagonist of the story.


sounds like you are the same page as I am. We had a discussion on here about Michael Corleone. IMO, all villains are antagonists, but not all antigonists are villains. and not all protagonists are heros.
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Freauxzen
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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We had a discussion on here about Michael Corleone. IMO, all villains are antagonists, but not all antigonists are villains. and not all protagonists are heros.


Going to have to do a Long Detailed Posts about Expectatons for this one.

Micheal Corleone is Not a Hero. I want it to have a nice "classic hero" feel.


Freauxzen
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I think we could do one list for pre 1950


I'll take Pre-1940s if we do that.

The 1950s were awesome, they deserve a list.


etm512
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
How about just Best Movie Characters instead of Heroes and Villains? Every memorable character is typically a protagonist or antagonist anyway or are we talking a separate heroes list and a separate villains list?


H-Town Tiger
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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Micheal Corleone is Not a Hero. I want it to have a nice "classic hero" feel.


I agree, but he is the protagonist and imo that means he is not a villain, even though he is evil. See we have a good discussion already


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H-Town Tiger
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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I'll take Pre-1940s if we do that.

The 1950s were awesome, they deserve a list.


Yeah, 50's should get it's own list, a great decade, though no way could i stick to the 1 film per director standard.

20's, 30's and 40's could be 1 list imo.


OMLandshark
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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The 1950s were awesome, they deserve a list.



Definitely one of my favorites.


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Freauxzen
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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How about just Best Movie Characters instead of Heroes and Villains? Every memorable character is typically a protagonist or antagonist anyway or are we talking a separate heroes list and a separate villains list?



But they were each going to have a Top 50....sooooo....tough to do.


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Freauxzen
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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20's, 30's and 40's could be 1 list imo.


Sadly Yes, but 30s deserve their own list as well.






With that said.

Off topic...
We need Writers!!

And more votes for Ballot size.


OMLandshark
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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Every memorable character is typically a protagonist or antagonist anyway or are we talking a separate heroes list and a separate villains list?



I'd beg to differ. The most memorable characters are the ones that sway between good and evil and make it difficult to say if they're the hero or the villain.


OMLandshark
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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With that said.

Off topic...
We need Writers!!



I'll do this batch.


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Freauxzen
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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I'd beg to differ. The most memorable characters are the ones that sway between good and evil and make it difficult to say if they're the hero or the villain.


False. There's a reason classic stories (and even mythology) are remembered to this day. It has nothing to do with cannon and everything to do with the motivation and passion to have a stance and stick to it. There is a little interesting or memorable about someone who can't make up their mind.


/ontopic


OMLandshark
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False. There's a reason classic stories (and even mythology) are remembered to this day. It has nothing to do with cannon and everything to do with the motivation and passion to have a stance and stick to it. There is a little interesting or memorable about someone who can't make up their mind.



I'm not saying they don't make it up in the end. Just internal debate in the middle of the story. Darth Vader defeats the Emperor in the end, but I think he's still in most people's mind a villain. A lot of people are hesitant to put Gollum on a villain list because of how much he goes back and forth, before becoming fully villainous at the end.


etm512
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
And this is what that voting might turn into. I like the idea but I can see someone causing a riot over the aforementioned Michael being put on a Hero/Villain list and somebody else disagreeing.


Anywho, yeah a ballot of 50 for the top 200 should be good. And if you need more writers I can do it although I am typically not as eloquent as you sly dogs.


H-Town Tiger
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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I like the idea but I can see someone causing a riot over the aforementioned Michael being put on a Hero/Villain list and somebody else disagreeing.


I think it would be a good point/counter point discussion.


etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
It very well could but probably wouldnt be very conducive to organized voting


H-Town Tiger
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
Why not, we all vote our picks and then discuss


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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
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but 30s deserve their own list as well.


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magildachunks
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re: Next: Top 200 MWADS March 2013
I'll write.


And Counter point the Godfather. (we all know that's going to be in the top 5.)


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Freauxzen
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I like the idea but I can see Freaux causing a riot over the aforementioned Michael being put on a Hero list and somebody else disagreeing.


That's pretty much a declaration of war.


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