re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

I happen to think that Avery is innocent.

Obviously the police planted the blood in the car.
The dna in the car was either cross contaminated or planted by the police.
The bones in the burn pit were planted by the police.
The car was planted by the police.
The calls to TH cell phone were not done by Steve, only his phone.
The so called alibi call to TH later was simply steve forgetting that she was there. He is not the brightest bulb on the tree.

The fact that SA first said that she never showed up and then said ok, she did show up was simply making a mistake. Can't a guy make a mistake.

The cell phone and Palm pilot in the burn pit was planted by the cops.
The rivet from the jeans that TH was wearing found in the burn pit, planted.

BD was coerced.
The fact that he said that SA touched the hood of the car and the battery and was supported doesn't matter because all that was planted by the police.
The fact that BD said they shot her a bunch of times in the garage and they found a bullet there with TH dna doesn't mean anything because they planted it after they made BD said it.
The so called shackles that SA purchased and BD described as being used in the rape was just something that SA bought for his girlfriend when she got out of jail.
The story of BD saying that they used bleach to clean up and destroy the dna on the floor and the fact that they found clothes with bleach stains and the mother remembered him coming home with bleach stains on his clothes doesn't mean anything. They might have just been cleaning the floor.

So what do we have after all of this? That mountain of evidence? Nope. Planted by the police. The confession? Coerced and then supported by evidence planted by the police.

The fact that BD said he did it to his mother on a recorded call? He was just confused. Obviously.

Look, disregard all that crap. Here is what is really important. Lets look at these important facts that prove that SA didn't do it.

We have an undated picture of TH holding a set of keys. Yet when they found the key that was planted by the police, there was only a single key. What did the police do with the other keys before they planted this key? This is the really important question.

Also, and this is really damning, there was a serial killer living in the state at the time. This, without a shadow of a doubt proves that steven Avery didn't do it.

And the blood in the car? No EDTA found in it? BFD. The fact that there is an virtually no chance that it came from the test tube because the hole was there from when the blood was put in there and the fbi test is sensitive does not mean there is no chance. Virtually no chance and no chance are two different things.

At the end of the day, throw the mountains of planted evidence out, disregard the obviously coerced confession, forget about the supposed physical evidence backing up portions of the confessions, because they were all planted, and (this is really important), even if they did use bleach to clean up the garage, and there was support for that in the evidence and even the mother remembers it, that doesn't mean they used the bleach to clean up TH blood. Maybe they just wanted to clean the garage floor.

The Avery's in general and SA in particular look like they firmly believed in the cleanliness is next to godliness maxim.

At the end of the day, just remember the picture showing TH holding a keychain with more than one key at one point.

IF THERE IS ONLY ONE KEY, STEVEN AVERY MUST GO FREE!

And remember the serial killer who lived in the state at the time who confessed to a number of murders. Even though he didn't confess to this one he was old and probably forgot. The fact that there was a serial killer in the state proves without a doubt that steven avery didn't do it.

I can't wait for the new trial that his lawyers are no doubt going to get and say again that the mountain of evidence was planted by the police and all.

Just remember,

Only one key, steven avery must go free.

Not quite if the glove don't fit you must acquit, but close enough...

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Of course. I'd go so far as to say I'm agnostic as to that question. I think we can say with virtual certainty, though, that the key was planted. And if the key was planted, not only does that provide reasonable doubt, it swiss-cheeses the prosecution's entire case.

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That's it in a nutshell.

After everything I saw, I have to think he did it. His entire defense was basically trying to prove that the police set him up as opposed to trying to prove an alibi or why he didn't do it. I mean I don't think that was argued at all was it?

That said, none of the evidence the prosecution provided alone was solid. No blood anywhere in the trailer or garage. They literally only went off fact that Averys had some blood in the car and then a bullet that never should have made it in as evidence.

Short version, I think he did it, but as a juror I couldn't say so with 100% certainty based alone on the evidence.

It would not have to be put on a lift, you could do everything with a jack. As a novice mechanic, I could accomplish the list you stated in about 2 hours. That's why it keeps coming up, because it doesn't make sense. He had days not hours to get it done. And sure, the remains could be identified, it just would have been a lot harder to find.

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opposed to trying to prove an alibi

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I read some legal article awhile back saying that often innocent people don't have a good story for where they were...to the point that it's almost a marker for an innocent person. If they weren't thinking about a killing at all, then why would they be able to remember anything?

I don't think you understand. The car has to be lifted and placed in the machine. You can't drive it in or park it. You need a hoist, crane or lift to move it into position. Sure he had days, but its a place of business. People don't just randomly use the crusher. Its a metered piece of equipment that requires keys. I manage lots of industrial equipment and a fleet of tractor/trailers. I don't have access to them 24/7 and it would be suspicious if I used them for other purposes. I'm sure he could have had an opportunity some time. But people keep acting like its something simple or easy..

It's his father's place of business. I doubt he would question much, plus if I remember correctly, the crusher was a significant distance from his father's house.

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I don't get how this keeps coming up. Its not too hard to understand. It's not a simple thing to crush a car. You have to drain the fluids, remove the tires, the battery and the fuel tank (at a minimum). If you don't, they could explode and it would destroy the machine. It also has to be placed in the crusher with a lift. The lift isn't kept out in the middle of the yard. The car has to be taken to the shop for all of this to happen. Then it could be transported to the crusher. Even after all of that, the remains are still there. It can still be identified. This is one of those points that people keep harping on, that just doesn't make sense..

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So he doesn't have time to crush the car. But he does have time to clean up blood, hair, fingerpirnts, and pretty much any DNA evidence (outside of the bullet) in the trailer/garage/etc..

You can't argue logically on one part and overlook the illogical requirements of the prosecution's case. I don't think there are tons of people who are huge "he's definitely innocent" types. I think it takes a bias to really think the case was "beyond reasonable doubt" though. At least in some very major aspects.

Someone willing to clean and scrub that trailer and garage that well, but leave the damned vehicle a few hundred yards away. He had to know it'd be found. Then he wipes all fingerprints from the vehicle???? Again, not saying he didn't do it, he seems stupid. Just very hard to not say there is reasonable doubt. I think too many things were fishy. Some things may be completely void of suspicion, but all the other suspicious things cast a very large shadow.

The car was not in inventory if he did do it, thus zero reason to follow normal protocol.

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The car was not in inventory if he did do it, thus zero reason to follow normal protocol.

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I seriously think you are just messing with me now. So, walk me through it. How does he just crush the car. Step by step. Please.

I will even help you, here is a video.. LINK .
Notice, several things. You need a lift to put it in the machine. One guy stays on the lift , keeping the forks against it, while another turns it on. When they are done, it is just smashed and doesn't just magically vanish.