Started By
Message

my uninformed guess on how GoT will finish out

Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20243 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:06 pm
Couldn't find the other thread on this, figured I would post this here.

These are just guesses on my part.

Looking big picture, Jon and Sansa have to fail to retake the North, right?
I mean, eventually Dany is going to cross the sea with her dragons and massive foreign army, to claim the throne. That will meet with massive resistance, unless... she is the last hope for Westeros against the Night's King.

To be so, you have to take all the other parties out of the equation.

My best guesstimate: Ramsay wins the North, Wun Wun (a potentially key weapon against the Wight army) dies in the battle. Jon Snow's army is scattered; Jon and Sansa survive somehow. Maybe the Boltons defeat the forces of the Vale too (thus eliminating yet another army that could face the Dead).

Jaime and the Lannisters take out Blackfish.

Dorne engages in some type of attack on King's Landing (possibly assassination attempts).

With the Lannister army in the North, Tommen calls on Margaery to send the Tyrells to retaliate. This effectively ties up both the Tyrells and the Martells.

The Dead come, Ramsay is northernmost, falls first. He may or may not have Bran in his control by then, but Bran escapes south with Jon and Sansa to find some refuge to resist.

Jaime takes the Stark refugees, including Bran. He's smart enough to listen to them (as compared to Ramsay, who didn't see the bigger picture), and he has the biggest army in Westeros at his command. He may or not be swayed by Brienne, and besides, "a Lannister pays his debts". He figures he owes Bran, since he tossed him out the window. Also, Jaime has already shown he will do the necessary thing, even if it means bad for him (see: Kingslayer). So he sends the Starks south (or leaves them where the camp is), and marches North to face the Night's King, probably expecting the outcome.
He, too, falls, but in a far more noble manner than Ramsay.

This pushes Cersei over the edge, and her bitterness over losing Jaime coupled with her perceived betrayal by Tommen (who sent him North and sided with the Sparrow against her), causes her to lash out. Since the Mountain acts on her emotions, the Mountain attacks the Crown/Faith alliance, and in the process kills Tommen and Margaery. Distraught, Cersei commits suicide, and King's Landing is in complete disarray. Sandor kills the Mountain.

The Dead are sweeping south against little resistance, and what little remains of the ruling class (mostly Starks, ironically) have arrived at King's Landing, for a last stand, when Dany arrives. Expecting a fight, she instead finds a broken populace more than willing to give her whatever title she wants, so long as she can save them.

Dany accepts the throne, and takes it as her duty as rightful Queen of the Seven Kingdoms to protect it and defeat the Dead, despite a lot of counsel to withdraw back to the relative safety of Merreen across the sea. She believes she was put through all her troubles to strengthen her for this task.

We see a final battle of the Night's King and his forces, vs Dany and the various religions that flock to her (The Red Priestesses for the Fire God, Arya (and Jaqen) for the Many Faced God, whichever Greyjoy brought the fleet for the Drowned God, Bran for the Old Gods, Sandor and the Sparrow for the Faith).
Massive attrition, and it comes down to Dany and Drogon vs the Night's King. He kills Drogon, and it seems like he will kill Dany and prevail in the end; but a grayscaled Jorah, wielding a Valarian sword (maybe Tarly's, obtained from Sam), takes the blow, and the grayscale takes rapid effect on the King. Jon, the annointed one, finishes off the Night's King, and Jorah dies happy in the friendzone.


Dany takes the throne of everywhere (Westeros, Essos etc), with Jon as her Beta King, while Sansa and Tyrion Lannister are given Winterfell and the North.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Massive attrition, and it comes down to Dany and Drogon vs the Night's King. He kills Drogon, and it seems like he will kill Dany and prevail in the end; but a grayscaled Jorah, wielding a Valarian sword (maybe Tarly's, obtained from Sam), takes the blow, and the grayscale takes rapid effect on the King. Jon, the annointed one, finishes off the Night's King, and Jorah dies happy in the friendzone. 



If those dragons die in The Night King's presence it's over for them all.


And I don't think he gives a shite about grayscale.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Commandeaux
Zachary
Member since Jul 2009
7254 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

Tommen calls on Margaery to send the Tyrells to retaliate


Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66240 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

That will meet with massive resistance, unless... she is the last hope for Westeros against the Night's King.


The 7 kingdoms are in complete disarray. I don't think they could mount a massive resistance to her, not to mention how many of them might go ahead and side with her if she returned.

I also think Jon Snow and Sansa are fine with accepting a Warden of the North Arrangement if Dany agrees to help fight the walkers. I think they have made a point that it is more important to fight the walkers than the squabbling of houses.



Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27412 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:18 pm to
All I'm saying is HS=HR and #TEAMAEGON. frick everyone else. Golden Company, bitches.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115205 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

My best guesstimate: Ramsay wins the North


Nah.
Posted by The Dude Abides
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2010
2226 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Scoob
You're... you're crazy, man. I like you, but you're crazy.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

quote:

My best guesstimate: Ramsay wins the North



Nah.


Isn't it pretty obvious that Ramsay is Theon's to kill before it's all over?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Isn't it pretty obvious that Ramsay is Theon's to kill before it's all over?


I think it's obvious that Jon kills him, or at least wounds him to the point of his own mortal peril. Ramsay was written as nothing more as a foil to Jon Snow. He's the complete antithesis and Bizarro-Jon Snow. I think Theon will be there to witness it in the books, but I just think he'd rather put Ramsay in the past and never think of him again.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20243 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

The 7 kingdoms are in complete disarray. I don't think they could mount a massive resistance to her
The North is more than half under the control of the Crown now. Ramsay technically is loyal to Tommen, as Warden of the North. So, also, are the Freys.
The Lannisters and Tyrells are completely in line.

The general populace love that Tommen is uniting the Crown with the Faith; after a decade of war, this would seem like the right thing to do to heal the rifts. They don't know how weak he is, only that he and the Queen are pious instead of arrogant.

If there were no threat from the Dead, then an exiled Targarean showing up with an army of Dragons, Dothraki and Unsullied, yes, would be opposed. Her claim is in opposition to every single one of theirs, and the prospect of vengeance for the prior coup would put all the current houses in danger, including the Starks.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115205 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Isn't it pretty obvious that Ramsay is Theon's to kill before it's all over?




Nah. Jon/Sansa will seem like they are defeated, someone will come to their aid/switch sides and they will win in the end. Jon will confront Ramsay, they will duel and Jon wins and either kills him or puts him in chains.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41128 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

This pushes Cersei over the edge, and her bitterness over losing Jaime coupled with her perceived betrayal by Tommen , causes her to lash out. Since the Mountain acts on her emotions, the Mountain attacks the Crown/Faith alliance, and in the process kills Tommen and Margaery. Distraught, Cersei commits suicide


I think we saw how Cersei dies last night.

quote:


Jaime and the Lannisters take out Blackfish.


Nah, even a Blackfish can swim.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:41 pm to
quote:


All I'm saying is HS=HR and #TEAMAEGON. frick everyone else. Golden Company, bitches.



Yup.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Ramsay wins the North,


Stopped reading here.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112166 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

quote: quote: My best guesstimate: Ramsay wins the North Nah. Isn't it pretty obvious that Ramsay is Theon's to kill before it's all over?


No. Not at all. Theon is looking for redemption, not revenge.

Ramsey is the anti thesis of Jon snow. He will die at the hands of snow

Mel say Jon riding into Winterfell and the Bolton flags falling. He's jesus basically. He won't lose and he wont be a "beta King" whatever the frick that is.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41128 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

#TEAMAEGON. frick everyone else. Golden Company, bitches.



If true, everyone who thinks Little Finger is the pupper master, will be shocked at who is pulling the strings.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20243 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

You're... you're crazy, man. I like you, but you're crazy.
Just a guess, it came to me over a cup of coffee

If Jon were to beat Ramsay, then you have Jaime coming north from the Riverlands to stomp out the resurgent Stark threat. This doesn't give him much of an army to then mount a defense against the Night's King, and it not only excludes Dany from that conflict, it leaves most of Westeros out as well. And we all know/assume Jon vs NK is the main event.

If Ramsay wins, he's then the perfect warmup.
Where does the Night's King get his soldiers from? Dead people laying around.
What do the Boltons do with their fallen opponents? They skin them and hang them up all over.
Imagine the scene when all those flayed Stark supporters reanimate and start hopping around inside Winterfell. That's an instant breach into the castle, without even having to scale the walls. shite, if Ramsay really made a rug out of Osha's skin, then she might rise up inside his chambers and attack him.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

If Jon were to beat Ramsay, then you have Jaime coming north from the Riverlands to stomp out the resurgent Stark threat. This doesn't give him much of an army to then mount a defense against the Night's King, and it not only excludes Dany from that conflict, it leaves most of Westeros out as well. And we all know/assume Jon vs NK is the main event.


I don't think Jaime would necessarily fight Jon and Sansa's army. He's actively trying to protect them from Cersei, and if Jon is who we think Jon is, he'd be highly reluctant to battle him and would likely join him. Only Tommen may prevent it, but take him out of the equation, and I'm sure he'd join them.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20243 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

quote:
Ramsay wins the North,


Stopped reading here.
The Night's King is coming from the North. As Davos said, that's the true battle (and true conflict for this story).

Jon and Sansa have, what, 3-4 thousand troops, at most, right? If he takes Ramsay out, you have Jaime with at least double that force (they could move the entire Lannister army and leave the Freys to deal with the Blackfish, they only came to speed up the process).

Jon doesn't have the men to stop the Lannisters, let alone survive two major battles, and then face the Night's King.
He's coming hard now, and the Wall is undefended.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20243 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

I don't think Jaime would necessarily fight Jon and Sansa's army.
I think he might be open to them and their cause as individuals, but Stark vs Lannister was the opening salvos of the current civil war. A resurgent Stark presence in the North would not be tolerated by the Lannisters or the Crown.

Added- the Starks rose in rebellion to the line of succession from Robert to Joffrey. Tommen's claim depends on the same principle as Joffrey's; so they remain enemies of the state at this point.

This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 2:21 pm
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram