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Medieval battles
Posted on 8/12/16 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 8/12/16 at 11:26 pm
Is there a more inaccurate common display in all of movies & tv. It kinda pisses me off. The ideas that battles were some sort of chaotic whirl of personal combat and individuals fighting.
The simple truth is only 5-10% of casualties of a battle happened during the battle itself. The 95% that remains are of people being ridden down when fleeing their highly structured formations. And even then, only 15-30% of an a losing army would be casualties.
The simple truth is only 5-10% of casualties of a battle happened during the battle itself. The 95% that remains are of people being ridden down when fleeing their highly structured formations. And even then, only 15-30% of an a losing army would be casualties.
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 11:28 pm to athenslife101
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The simple truth is only 5-10% of casualties of a battle happened during the battle itself. The 95% that remains are of people being ridden down when fleeing their highly structured formations. And even then, only 15-30% of an a losing army would be casualties
Well write a show like this and report back and tell us how the ratings were
Posted on 8/12/16 at 11:40 pm to athenslife101
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It kinda pisses me off
First world problems, man.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 11:54 pm to athenslife101
The Spartans in 300 fought and won based on their discipline to stay in formation. They didn't always show it though. The battle scenes in Braveheart were pretty brutal and its always cool seeing heads get chopped off and stuff like that so who cares if its not accurate.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 11:55 pm to DanglingFury
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First world problems, man.
It's a wonderful thing.l, first world problems. Otherwise, we'd go crazy as a society.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:01 am to Brosef Stalin
Ehh, I'm more interested in the tactics and formations. It really falls apart once it becomes the chaos like in the Braveheart movies.
I simply have a hard time believing characters would survive running around with a sword likens chicken with its head cut off like in the movies.
Braveheart battle scenes were pretty entertaining, but if they were like their historical counterpoints, they'd be on a whole other level. The battle of sterling bridge actually took place on a bridge admit collapsed into the water and the drama of that.
The battle of falkirk had the Scottish with roaming circular spear formations aimed at taking out calabash. Islands admistnthenendemy. Again, huge drama as some of the islands got swept up in the English movements.
I simply have a hard time believing characters would survive running around with a sword likens chicken with its head cut off like in the movies.
Braveheart battle scenes were pretty entertaining, but if they were like their historical counterpoints, they'd be on a whole other level. The battle of sterling bridge actually took place on a bridge admit collapsed into the water and the drama of that.
The battle of falkirk had the Scottish with roaming circular spear formations aimed at taking out calabash. Islands admistnthenendemy. Again, huge drama as some of the islands got swept up in the English movements.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:07 am to athenslife101
quote:Yet you're okay believing William Wallace was a 5'10" anti-Semite?
I simply have a hard time believing characters would survive running around with a sword likens chicken with its head cut off like in the movies.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:15 am to drizztiger
Ugh.......,.,,,
Ummm.....,,,,
What????
Braveheart is a movie and I fully realize that. I just wish that movies took a more invested and honest approach to how they display these battles in these epic movies. I realized earlier tonight while watxhing s battle scene that a lot of these battles have potential where there is no ambition to do something more.
Ummm.....,,,,
What????
Braveheart is a movie and I fully realize that. I just wish that movies took a more invested and honest approach to how they display these battles in these epic movies. I realized earlier tonight while watxhing s battle scene that a lot of these battles have potential where there is no ambition to do something more.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:31 am to athenslife101
quote:So you're okay with manufacturing history as long as the battles live up to your expectations?
Braveheart is a movie and I fully realize that. I just wish that movies took a more invested and honest approach
You shouldn't be confused by my post, I was directly poking fun at you and your ludicrous posts.
If you want a better portrayal of how events and battles actually occurred, documentaries are your friend.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:29 am to athenslife101
One of your problems with perception is that the winners wrote the histories in ancient times, and they could turn skirmishes into epic battles with the turn of a pen. And formal stand-offs really could end in chaos.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 7:50 am to athenslife101
The opening scene of Romeseemed to do an excellent job of portraying formation fighting and the clockwork like precision of the Romans. And it even made a point of showing how getting out of formation was frowned upon.
The Last Kingdomat least made an effort to show shield wall fighting. Though it admittedly was hit and miss in this regard.
The Last Kingdomat least made an effort to show shield wall fighting. Though it admittedly was hit and miss in this regard.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 9:43 am to Methuselah
I thought the opening battle of Gladiator portrayed accurate battle formations and tactics.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:09 am to athenslife101
People like you and I, who love reading history, will forever be disappointed with Hollywood. Just have to accept that and never expect historical accuracy. Particularly the further back in history they go.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:17 am to athenslife101
you would probably enjoy Time Commanders on BBC
Posted on 8/13/16 at 10:32 am to Methuselah
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The Last Kingdomat least made an effort to show shield wall fighting. Though it admittedly was hit and miss in this regard.
The books were much more detailed and descriptive fwiw.
300 did a good job initially then the battle scenes quickly turned into entertaining but silly spectacles.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:11 pm to JohnnyBgood
quote:I agree, but that's ancient combat which ironically is more accurately portrayed. The OP is right that medieval combat isn't portrayed as well. Yet most medieval battles were won by superior planning and formations and not skirmishes. Though I am sure there were some skirmishes.
I thought the opening battle of Gladiator portrayed accurate battle formations and tactics.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 12:33 pm to Napoleon
There were very few open land battles in general. Sieges and defending fortifications were 90% of fighting in the Middle Ages.
I'm just sick of seeing somebody running through a battle stabbing people like bodies are made of butter. It's high fantasy.
I'm just sick of seeing somebody running through a battle stabbing people like bodies are made of butter. It's high fantasy.
Posted on 8/13/16 at 1:24 pm to Napoleon
You have more writings available that covered Roman battled than medical ones. Hence the greater detail.
Edit: you mean swords don't just slide through well made plate armour as if it was butter?
Edit: you mean swords don't just slide through well made plate armour as if it was butter?
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Posted on 8/13/16 at 2:05 pm to prplhze2000
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You have more writings available that covered Roman battled than medieval ones. Hence the greater detail.
Yes, we get these types of scenes.
Even had a "Turtle" scene in Cleopatra back in 1963.
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