re: Justice League News

Speaking of who it might be with Alfred... Supergirl?

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This one might actually end up being the most enticing pointer of them all, simply by being among the least-expected. When Superman finds the ages-old Kryptonian exploration vessel that serves as this film’s version of the Fortress of Solitude, he finds a few crew cryo units. At least one contains a mummified Kryptonian. (Further proof, if you need it, that such beings aren’t immortal on Earth.) Another is open, and empty.

Speaking to Crave Online, when asked about pointers to future characters in the film, producer Deborah Snyder said:

You know what’s interesting, and I don’t know and I’m not going to say what it means or anything, but the one thing if you look closely when Henry’s going through the Fortress of Solitude there’s an empty… you know all the bodies… the pods? There’s an empty pod. I’m not going to say what, or if, it means anything but there is an empty pod there.


Prodded about whether she’s referring to Supergirl, Snyder says, “No. [Laughs] I’m not going to say anything but, it’s a thing.”

But here’s the deal: a Man of Steel prequel comic shows the craft that becomes the Fortress of Solitude arriving on Earth, with the explorer Kara Zor-El — aka Supergirl — as part of the crew. But there’s a stowaway on the ship: Dev-Em, a former explorer cadet who killed Kara’s best friend and nearly killed her. Murder isn’t something Krypton is used to (wait until they really have to deal with Zod) and Dev-Em is not properly imprisoned. He stows on Kara’s ship, and is partly responsible for the death of the other crew members.

Dev-Em and Kara are the only two left alive on the ship when it gets to Earth. Is one of them the mummy Superman sees, and is the other running around Earth somewhere? We don’t know, but the possibility that Supergirl could show up now that Kal-El has revealed himself to humanity is quite interesting.

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The Joker is an unhinged lunatic with a long history of violence and death.

To take that logic, Batman would just kill actual birthday clowns when he saw them.

Superman is a superhero, although to be fair, in that universe he is a complete shite head. He watched his dad die, he ruined a truckers life, he leveled half of Metropolis, he smashes expensive government equipment for no reason, he destroyed the Bat mobile and threatened Batman's life, then he also tired to kill Batman, he completely failed to save anyone's life at that senate hearing with the bomb, he didn't even try to save his own mom, the whole universe is so beyond fricked up.

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I was gonna type out a response to that on my own, but figured you had taken care of it.

You did.

Other than the fact that WB/DC wanted them to fight, there was no logical reason for why they would. In the comic Snyder was stealing this from, there WAS a reason. And given they had had a LOOOOONG history together and what was happening in that book, their fight made perfect sense.

In this universe? Nah. It makes Bruce seem completely fricking unhinged. There is just no way we can move forward thinking he is some great tactician or even that smart if he somehow could not see that while flawed (and a douche like you stated) Superman was clearly not some threat that he needed to fricking murder.

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How many of these you think you'll be watching 10-15 years from now?

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I couldn't say. But like when a movie like Rocky or Wrath of Khan comes on, if Avengers or Ironman or Thor or Winter Soldier or Civil War or Guardians of the Galaxy comes on tv, I'm stopping what I'm doing to watch them. If Batman Vs. Superman or Suicide Squad comes on, I'm going to wash the dishes or change the oil in my truck.

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Nope. Alfred is talking to Cyborg.

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This makes the most sense of the theories I've heard so far. Cyclops has to be fairly heavy and everybody seems to be ignoring the Jurassic Park style impact tremors affecting Alfred's glass of scotch that starts that clip.

I mean, would Superman or Green Lantern cause impact tremors?

You people bleed out of your arse about Batman killing people, while the heart and soul of the MCU, the Marvel's Universe's moral compass Captain America no less, is killing people on screen left and right with nary a peep. Why not the same standard?

I actually enjoy both universes for their differences, not their lack thereof. You people are still ridiculous.

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I'll add that yes, Captain America kills people. He was a soldier during WWII. He killed the frick out of some Nazis. He once punched Hitler in the face. He's a soldier and he kills.

Batman doesn't kill. He doesn't. Its the whole reason for his being. If Batman was so reckless with other's lives, why would there be all these criminals in Arkham for the government to use for their Suicide Squad? Why wouldn't Bats kill the shite out of them and be done with it? This is why people are so pissy when it comes to the recent DC movie universe; they've taken these beloved characters, with long histories, and they've turned them on their heads. Batman shoots people. Superman allows people to die for some reason. I think Supes called Zod a motherfricker at one point. It all makes no sense. But please, go on thinking this is some sort of Marvel vs. DC fanboy argument.

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But at least the tone of the scenes imparts a sense of danger.

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Why...because they are at night? I'm genuinely asking.

I'm not saying Snyder is not trying to give weight to these movies...just that he seems to be forcing it. I'll give you an example of how Marvel does this better...at least for me.

You bring up Winter Soldier. One of the more powerful moments in that movie, again for me, was when Cap was chasing down Bucky after he escaped the holding cell and he jumped into the helicopter. Cap is doing everything he can to save his friend...to the point of holding on to the helicopter and the flight deck to try and get him to stay.



Now...was it CGI? Well, yeah some of it.



But is there anything about the background that screams fake? I mean...unless you think they had Chris evens on top of some building holding onto a chopper like that you can assume it isn't...but does it LOOK fake?

Not to me, because they're not hiding it at night. The colors looks like the real world looks. If a guy could actually do that, this is what it would look like.

In contrast, I give you these...







My apologies to all of you with epilepsy that I just gave seizures...

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The final fight scene between Cap and TWS with the helicarrier crashing in the background is laughably bad. Ray Harryhausen watches that and says, "Damn, that looks fake."

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Yeah...I'm not seeing this. I'd post a gif but I'm not finding any of that final scene. I could post a ton of others from that movie which are all shot during the day in what looks like the actual real world and look great?

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And does anyone really ever watch a Marvel action scene and feel like anyone is in danger?

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No. But then I know how comic books work, and the heroes are essentially never in danger. If they have to die...and I mean REALLY DIE for there to be weight then I think you may be watching the wrong genre of movie.

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BvS was great in this aspect because at least when Batman was beating arse guys were getting hurt and dying.

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Without going into Batman doing his Punisher impersonation, I think it's pretty clear lots of people die in Marvel movies. Lots of people who don;t matter, obviously...but there are lots of deaths.

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Marvel action/fight scenes are just vehicles for snarky one-liners by RDJ.

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Honestly...I'll take snarky one liners from RDJ over pompous and overly self indulgent writing like the Martha dialog in BvS...or that horrible line heard in the new JL trailer when Alfred says, "I don;t recognize this world," and Bruce responds with, "We don't have to recognize it...we just have to save it." Did anyone NOT know that was gonna be the second half o that line...?

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You people bleed out of your arse about Batman killing people, while the heart and soul of the MCU, the Marvel's Universe's moral compass Captain America no less, is killing people on screen left and right with nary a peep. Why not the same standard?

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Who ever said Cap won't kill a fool?

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but those gifs are from Civil War not Winter Soldier.

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Yep...my bad.

How about these...







Still trying to find a bunch of ones from the final fight with Bucky.

Again...the issue isn't "Are these scenes all practical effects and real," but do they even try to look like it? Snyder, for better or worse, does not try to make his movies look "real." They are hyper realistic, which obviously some people like. For others, like myself, they just look fake and it's distracting.