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re: Just Watched Batman v. Superman
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:38 pm to BigAppleTiger
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:38 pm to BigAppleTiger
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They are the Movie Justice Warriors.
I'm a big Superman fan. I have every right to shite on a director who is shitting on one of my favorite franchises. Superman hasn't really been done completely right yet, aside from the DCAU films and series. I think I have every right to bitch about it until its done right.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:39 pm to OMLandshark
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He really thinks nothing through that isn't directly shown on the screen.
The truck driver scene in MoS is the perfect example of this. Superman completely ruined the guy entire life. He is on the line now for his truck, the goods in it, he's probably fired, and he's stranded and abandoned in a little shitty truck stop becaue he made a flippant joke to a guy.
That develops and builds superman's character as a piece of reactionary shite, but Snyder just saw the cool special effect.
Or the gif of Superman jumping over the 18 wheeler and letting it collide with the building.
Or Batman just throwing the cryptonite spear away.
I agree with you and have been saying since MoS, Snyder never thinks past the actual scene on the screen and thus plots and characters develop in ways they never should. And he doesn't even realize it.
Zodd was actually the best and most developed character in Snyders franchise so far. I actively rooted for him to win last time I watched the movie. He's the only one you can get invested in. He's not even really a villain.
This post was edited on 8/15/16 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:41 pm to Breesus
Go to sleep, Floyd. You're drunk.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:43 pm to OMLandshark
This perfectly nails Snyder's fundamental flaws as a filmmaker.
He's a director of scenes, not a storyteller.
He's a director of scenes, not a storyteller.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:50 pm to Breesus
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The truck driver scene in MoS is the perfect example of this. Superman completely ruined the guy entire life. He is on the line now for his truck, the goods in it, he's probably fired, and he's stranded and abandoned in a little shitty truck stop becaue he made a flippant joke to a guy.
I'd say the true perfect example of this is Superman killing Zod to save the lives of 4 nameless people. "Oh, so now you give a shite out of the hundreds of thousands of lives you've destroyed over 4 people you have never met before? Sure didn't seem to give a shite earlier as you hit Zod around the city or jump over the 18 wheeler leading to another 90 people getting immediately buried in rubble." That is just clear that he never thought through that Zod didn't just kill about a thousand or so people and that Zod and Superman's fight didn't lead to the death of anyone else.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:55 pm to JombieZombie
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This perfectly nails Snyder's fundamental flaws as a filmmaker.
He's a director of scenes, not a storyteller.
That was just a fantastic video. Thank you for posting
This post was edited on 8/15/16 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:57 pm to JombieZombie
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This perfectly nails Snyder's fundamental flaws as a filmmaker.
He's a director of scenes, not a storyteller.
Fantastic link. He fricking nails the problem.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 10:58 pm to OMLandshark
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Fantastic link. He fricking nails the problem.
The comparison to a scene loading the gun with awe and firing it at the moment and Snyder's problem of blank firing an empty gun constantly was great
Posted on 8/15/16 at 11:32 pm to JombieZombie
By the way, I've watched 6 of that guys videos now. Seems that after each one, another one of my favorite movies tends to pop up for an analysis by him. I really want to have a beer with this guy and discuss film.
Thanks for the link, will probably be driving around tomorrow listening to them on my sales route.
Thanks for the link, will probably be driving around tomorrow listening to them on my sales route.
Posted on 8/15/16 at 11:34 pm to OMLandshark
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Thanks for the link, will probably be driving around tomorrow listening to them on my sales route.
Same
Posted on 8/16/16 at 12:28 am to OMLandshark
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I'd say the true perfect example of this is Superman killing Zod to save the lives of 4 nameless people. "Oh, so now you give a shite out of the hundreds of thousands of lives you've destroyed over 4 people you have never met before? Sure didn't seem to give a shite earlier as you hit Zod around the city or jump over the 18 wheeler leading to another 90 people getting immediately buried in rubble."
Perhaps it was at this point that Superman finally realized he had to kill Zod with his bare hands, that nothing else would stop him.
I like MoS a lot, but that's Bc I don't have a deep regard for the traditional Boy Scout superman and the cheesy goofball plots of the Reeve movies.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 12:33 am to biglego
They're in a daisy chain...they don't care. Having too much fun.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:17 am to Breesus
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The truck driver scene in MoS is the perfect example of this. Superman completely ruined the guy entire life. He is on the line now for his truck, the goods in it, he's probably fired, and he's stranded and abandoned in a little shitty truck stop becaue he made a flippant joke to a guy.
That develops and builds superman's character as a piece of reactionary shite, but Snyder just saw the cool special effect.
Or the gif of Superman jumping over the 18 wheeler and letting it collide with the building.
Or Batman just throwing the cryptonite spear away.
I agree with you and have been saying since MoS, Snyder never thinks past the actual scene on the screen and thus plots and characters develop in ways they never should. And he doesn't even realize it.
I agree with the criticisms of Snyder's BVS. Previous directors have come much closer to capturing the character of Superman. Consider Superman II when Superman is battling the Kryptonian villains. Superman climbs out from behind the bus and sees the destruction that the Kryptonians are raining down upon Metropolis and its citizens so he flies away. He retreats to fight another day for the sake of humankind. Of course, this requires strategy and thought as opposed to braindead reactive smashing.
Also, consider in Superman II how Superman handled the obnoxious diner that earlier beat up a powerless Clark Kent. He did not forget, he sought revenge, but he concentrated on the person himself. He did not go outside in the middle of the night and vandalise the guy's truck like a cowardly, insolent, punk. He dealt with the obnoxious guy like a man, face to face. And after he dispatched the guy, he gave money to the restaurant owner to cover the damages. Finally, he ended it all with a funny line to the shocked diners who witnessed the beating: "I've been working out." (moves arms up and down like he is lifting).
That is the Superman character people know and love.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:27 am to John Keating
Here's a question....is BvS worse than Batman Forever or Batman and Robin with Arnold?
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:10 am to HeadSlash
I finally forced myself to watch BvS EE. I fell asleep 2-3 times. It's bad.
Eisenberg as Lex was one of the most jarring and incongruent performances in film history. He is simply not that character. Affleck was not as bad as I expected.
DC tried to do too much in one movie. That was 3-4 movies trying to be one movie and all of it failed for lack of depth. They are trying to create a universe and catch up to the Marvel development. But Marvel took like 8 years to get to this point. Not one shitty movie.
Eisenberg as Lex was one of the most jarring and incongruent performances in film history. He is simply not that character. Affleck was not as bad as I expected.
DC tried to do too much in one movie. That was 3-4 movies trying to be one movie and all of it failed for lack of depth. They are trying to create a universe and catch up to the Marvel development. But Marvel took like 8 years to get to this point. Not one shitty movie.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:17 am to Pax Regis
Affleck was the highlight of the movies, his psychopathic version of Batman aside.
Aside from Wonder Woman.
Aside from Wonder Woman.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:43 am to JombieZombie
Nerdwriter1 is good
and he should have used sucker punch instead of 300 for his example of "snyder just making a movie of moments"
and he should have used sucker punch instead of 300 for his example of "snyder just making a movie of moments"
Posted on 8/16/16 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, that was a movie I couldn't believe I didn't enjoy. Dragons, zombie Nazis, samurai, cyborgs, steampunk, cyberpunk, and tons of hot chicks dressed as skimpy as possible. It takes a glorious frick up for me to not enjoy that movie. There just didn't seem to be any semblance of a plot to tie the story together. I really can't tell you what happened in that movie aside from the fact she was lobotomized at the end and the orderly was accepting bribes.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/16/16 at 12:00 pm to OMLandshark
yeah and 300 had a story, with scenes, and characters, etc
was it complicated? no
but it had all those things. sucker punch was a mess. an absolute mess
was it complicated? no
but it had all those things. sucker punch was a mess. an absolute mess
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