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Is it ethical for a documentary to arrange information to invoke feeling?

Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:47 pm
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:47 pm
I am asking if it is ethically sound to arrange information in a documentary to invoke the most feeling.

I know documentaries usually have a slant or message and central theme they really try to press on the viewers. That is fine, but is it ok to arrange information by withholding it or strategically placing it in certain parts of the documentary?


A perfect example of this is Dear Zachary. If you've seen it, you know about the part where it gets super crazy. After seeing it for the first time (a couple of years ago now), and getting over that documentary as a whole, I asked myself if it was OK that the director/editor lead the audience that way. Is that ethical?

And one unanticipated consequence of choosing to reveal something in the film like that makes the reveal more important than the subjects in the film. I've read a few times on here to wait for the reveal or not spoil the reveal. So, the horrid events were turned into a gimmick rather than have the documentary be what it set out to be, which it does, and which it can't be (e.g. the title).


Another documentary we see this in is Catfish. Suspense was built perfectly. The directors said they went back and filmed some scenes when they figured out what was happening, but was never stated in the film. Is that ethical? Can that then be called a documentary? Does this approach the same ethical boundaries as in Dear Zachary with direction and editing?

Lastly, we have Exit Through the Gift Shop. The documentary successfully tells a story about the rise of a street artist with the aid of Banksy. Now, knowing the work of Banksy and the lack of artistry caught on camera we see the art, artist, and ultimately, public, and art community he was misleading. We, as an audience know it is not safe to trust the film or direction. Just as the art sold by Banksy's pet project, Exit Through the Gift Shop could be a complete work of fiction. But at least we see the deception on camera in one context and are beckoned to apply that deception to what we are watching.

In neither Catfish nor Dear Zachary do we get this window of possible deceit. It is only presented to us 3/4 through the documentary or after further research.



I am not knocking any of the above documentaries, or any documentary, really, for the subject they explore. I am just wondering if their approach may be slightly unethical in what a documentary is supposed to be. I know documentaries are exposing a topic and letting the public know, but is there a line between that and sort of fixing it to invoke emotion? Or are documentaries supposed to take the role of, say, persuasion?

Who knows.
Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:50 pm to
I got no problem with it, it's entertainment.

But ever since Bowling for Columbine made this shite "hip", Hollywood uses the term Documentary very loosely.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:53 pm to
Do you want it to put all the information out there right in the beginning and basically spoil the ending? I think just presenting facts would be boring most of the time. They have to build up some dramatic tension to get their point across. Documentaries still need to be entertaining.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:55 pm to
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Do you want it to put all the information out there right in the beginning and basically spoil the ending? I think just presenting facts would be boring most of the time. They have to build up some dramatic tension to get their point across. Documentaries still need to be entertaining.



It's just really weird to me that a documentary has a spoiler.

It just doesn't seem to fit into that kind of film.

That's why I mean gimmick when talking about Dear Zachary.


Unless, like I said at the very very end...documentaries are supposed to be persuasive. Then, should there be a new category?
Posted by Plankton
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 9:01 pm to
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 9:33 pm to
I watch documentaries because I want information presented in a different way. Sometimes a more visual medium is more fitting for the subject matter, or I prefer it depending on the mood I'm in. The information itself is entertaining because I find it interesting. I just want it presented in a way that facilitates understanding.

Otherwise it's maybe just being manipulative. I guess in Dear Zachary, it is telling the story from the creator's perspective. You get to experience things in a less powerful version of the way that he did. Things unfold for you the way they did for him. I guess I can see it being spoiled more so from this perspective, although I don't think knowing the end ruins the experience for me.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 9:35 pm
Posted by randomways
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:33 pm to
All media is filtered. There's no such thing as pure raw information, just degrees of manipulation. The job of a documentary is to examine the subject in a manner that is either convincing or entertaining. Your job as a viewer is to discriminate between legitimate points and dubious truths. Think of it as being like watching a documentary on dinosaurs. They can show the fossils, they can interview the paleontologists, they can outline the data points, but that doesn't mean the CGI of dinosaurs in their environment is necessarily misleading -- it's just a different way of presenting information. You know it's a reconstruction, so you have to keep that in mind. Does the data support the scenarios presented? Are they plausible but not well supported? Do they operate on assumptions that may be flawed, like assuming dinosaurs acted like modern reptiles?

Documentaries are all about trying to get a point across. They were never intended to be simple recitations of the immediate facts on an issue because, well, someone has to be motivated to make a documentary in the first place, and motivated people are people with an opinion to share, even if that opinion is just "Hey, this is interesting" and they want to proceed to make sure we're convinced that the subject is, in fact, interesting.

That said, frick the Ancient Aliens guy. He's just a dumbass with a camera pointed at him.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:49 pm to
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That said, frick the Ancient Aliens guy. He's just a dumbass with a camera pointed at him.

I have met the guy and he is a true believer in everything he talks about. Most of his evidence seems more like coincidences to me but he really does work hard at coming up with alternative theories of history and enjoys presenting them to people.
Posted by randomways
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 10:55 pm to
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I have met the guy and he is a true believer in everything he talks about. Most of his evidence seems more like coincidences to me but he really does work hard at coming up with alternative theories of history and enjoys presenting them to people.


I have no doubt he believes what he's saying, and from what I've seen of him, he seems like he's a genuinely decent sort of guy (unlike, say, Alex Jones) but it's still pushing the boundaries of human credulity to buy anything he's committed to believing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:43 am to
quote:

Exit Through the Gift Shop.

what is the "spoiler" in this one?
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

what is the "spoiler" in this one?


I guess it's that we see Banksy contrive what art is, and we have to ask if the whole thing is real or not. The spoiler is if you bought into "Mr Brainwash" you bought into Banksy's scheme?

I'm just saying that that doc can get away with it, while others shouldn't.

Maybe there should be a sub-category of docs, or docs should be a sub-category in other non-fiction films.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:00 pm to
well it's a doc but it may be a stage by banksy. that's totally different than the premise of your subject

it just turns the focus from direct to meta. it doesn't rely on "arranging information" or a spoiler. it just may not be what we thought it was (and that is the point and may be making the argument you're trying to in the OP)
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