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OMLandshark
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In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
I mean really, if you were to plan it out, Lex was just awfully planned. All Snyder thought out was him as a crazy Mark Zuckerberg, when he should have been an even more intertwined Loki to the DC Universe.

With Trump's Election, it's pretty obvious by the end of their Phase One, Luthor should have been elected President and gotten away with his schemes. Luthor doesn't have to be the main antagonist in these movies, but have an imposing presence that overshadows the universe.

I just don't understand how anyone can defend Snyder/Eisenburg's interpretation of the character. Why wasn't he a pragmatic idealist who really didn't perceive that all of his steps in improving humanity in the end only benefited himself? He's instead totally nuts who doesn't really seem to have a grasp on reality. He's simply awful in this universe and should have always been an imposing badass who really ruled the world with Superman being the only person who stood up to his power.
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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
Go to sleep and let it go man


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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et it go


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
I'm with you at least. It still bugs me but that's just because I'm so tired of Superman movies not being done well.

His portrayal was abysmal. I keep hoping there's a long term play there character-wise and he becomes much more menacing and quiet(?) so you see an evolution where he turns just as twisted but in a much more controlled manner I guess.

Most likely they just got it all wrong trying to do the young techie as Joker or something and painted themselves into a corner. What a waste.



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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
I don't remember if it was you or someone else on this board that said Lex should have been more like Elon Musk than Zuckerberg. A serious, driven guy, not a loony eccentric.

They probably thought they were appealing to younger viewers with that casting, but the irony is younger viewers already have a defined image of Lex from the DC animated productions and from Smallville.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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I just don't understand how anyone can defend Snyder/Eisenburg's interpretation of the character.

Surely no one does.

Maybe someone does just to be a contrarian.


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OMLandshark
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I don't remember if it was you or someone else on this board that said Lex should have been more like Elon Musk than Zuckerberg. A serious, driven guy, not a loony eccentric.



I think that was Breesus. And I pretty much agree with him.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
It literally might be the biggest frick-up we've ever seen (except for the prequels). It's just a complete out of LF moment. The thing is some of the writing for his character wasn't even that bad. I found myself thinking that every time I saw MZ on screen as Luthor, how much better those lines would be with someone who was physically imposing and menacing.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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I don't remember if it was you or someone else on this board that said Lex should have been more like Elon Musk than Zuckerberg. A serious, driven guy, not a loony eccentric.



I am not versed in the Superman universe but I always pictured Lex Luthor as a Tillman Ferritta type.



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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
The story was pretty dumb, but I didn't mind Eisenberg as Luthor. I kind of liked him. I know I'm in the minority thou.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
I thought Eisenberg did well with the script and character he was told to portray.

That character was a mistake though.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
Yeah, making Luthor into a young tech geek who has Joker-esque traits was a huge mistake. I always liked Luthor being older and more mature. It's a great contrast to Superman who is usually much younger.

They've made a ton of mistakes with the new Superman movies. They overreacted to Superman Returns and made a mistake of completely abandoning what worked for the original Reeve movies.

There was some rumor during the filming of BvS that there was going to be a scene stolen from the comics that took place in a diner where Luthor basically mindfvcks some waitress. Forgot the details but it sounded like a great way to show just how manipulative and intelligent he was. In the end, the diner location on the set turned in out to be where Martha Kent worked.
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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
I feel like the movie did too much and lex was centerpiece to that. Lex Luthor is a very complex villain and they really didn't get into his complexity.

In addition, they set him up as the archnemesis of superman but then put him in prison which was stupid. what makes lex so great as a villain is not his insanity, but instead his business empire. If they had done him right, lex could have been in almost every movie as Lex is intertwined in superman's life. And also, him and bruce wayne do business together.

A total frickup.



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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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A total frickup.



It showed what many of us said after MoS

Snyder has a complete and total lack of understanding, knowledge, and respect for the source material.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
I watched the extended cut and was excited thinking they removed the Jolly rancher scene when it came to that part. Nope. It. still. happened.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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Snyder has a complete and total lack of understanding, knowledge, and respect for the source material.


Well, if you read superman, lex does end up in prison several times. So its not unheard of, but I think its a lack of vision. Lex really should have been in every movie IMHO. Maybe just a bit here or there, but if you read the comics he has his fingers in everything.

Hell and i know this and i am just a casual superman reader. I can imagine hardcore readers going ape shite over it.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
That should have been much later into the series. Luthor should be the villain with good publicity for a while. He's a pretty good Karma Houdini. Really we should have had about a dozen DCEU movies before Luthor sniffs the inside of a jail cell. And after creating Doomsday and being absolutely crazy, no one is going to want to follow him.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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Really we should have had about a dozen DCEU movies before Luthor sniffs the inside of a jail cell


This is on point. I mean they basically just blew their load with a great villain in one movie and he basically can't be used anymore.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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That should have been much later into the series. Luthor should be the villain with good publicity for a while. He's a pretty good Karma Houdini. Really we should have had about a dozen DCEU movies before Luthor sniffs the inside of a jail cell. And after creating Doomsday and being absolutely crazy, no one is going to want to follow him.


well what gets me is that lex usually gets away when his schemes are foiled. The scheme gets shut down, but he does his part far enough removed that he walks away.

they so fricked it up.

Oh well, MoS was marginal, BvS was garbage, and SS was possibly the worst movie I have seen in years.


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re: In retrospect how much of a frickup was Lex Luthor?
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a diner where Luthor basically mindfvcks some waitress


Was a short story from the Byrne years (80's). Luthor stops at a restaurant in a small town. He offers a young married waitress something like 1 million dollars if she will live with him for a month or two. She refuses so he says something like he will wait in his car for 10 minutes. The other waitresses think she's crazy for not accepting, so she calls her husband for comfort and an unknown female voice answers the phone. Come to find out he has been cheating on her. She goes outside to accept Luthors offer, but he's already gone. He knew the husband was cheating on her and he didn't even wait 10 minutes. He was just trolling her.


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