re: How Can You Respect Kylo Ren As A Villain?

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Luke was a whiny teenager that was just living on the family farm.

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That's a bit harsh. He used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home.

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Then he gets his arse thoroughly flattened by a chick that had never wielded a lightsabre until 3 minutes prior to flattening.

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He got hit with a the full brunt of a Shotgun laser blast that was throwing stork troopers 20 feet backwards, and had just killed his own father, and WA slrettt obviously familiar with Rey, and he wanted to keep her alive and have her join forces with him. The force is all about concentration. Those things would've hurt.

There are some legit criticisms of TFA, but the movie is fricking awesome and this is one of the stupidest criticisms out there.

The point was to show him as an immature wannabe, had talent but not yet ready for prime time.

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but not yet ready for prime time.

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You seriously expect Adam Driver to ever be taken seriously or respected?

He's a terrible villain. He's Hollywood mocking white males today.

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Exactly. At what point did Kylo look really bad against Finn? LINK The one time Finn got a lucky shot in and Kylo got serious and immediately ended the fight?

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Watch when Finn goes to Rey after Kylo knocks her out. When he rolls her over she does most of the work.

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Kylo is a shitty emo douche. He's better as a SNL Undercover Boss character than as a decent Star Wars villain. That says enough.

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Forgot to add quote. THIS!

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I thought the movie also makes a point about stormtroopers being trained to use melee weapons that can parry lightsabers so it isn't unfathomable that Finn can engage a lightsaber wielder.

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he got his arse beat by that dude with one at Maz's place.

to the OP: i get the impression that he's a whiny douche, which is why he left Luke to be all whiny and douchey with the First Order.

lot of raw talent, but untrained and undisciplined. Hologram Jar Jar makes it pretty clear that he's a noob and needs to be brought to him for further training.

Kylo Rens story isn't over, so this thread has no point.

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Kylo Rens story isn't over, so this thread has no point.

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This is ridiculous.

He can be a bad villain based on what we've seen so far.

I don't think anyone is saying "that's it, he's a bad villain forever."

You're focusing on the wrong thing. It isn't that Kylo is so bad that Rey beat him. It's that Rey is so in tune with the force, and the will of the force was for her to win, so she did win. That doesn't take away from Kylo.

In Rogue One, Chirrut Îmwe (the monk from Jedha) walks right through a firefight. Why does he do this? Because the force will protect him if he is acting on the will of the force. Same concept with the Kylo vs Rey fight. Rey doesn't realize it going in, but the force is on her side. Protecting her. Guiding her during the fight.

I interpret the title "The Force Awakens" to mean that the force is imbuing more sentient life with force sensitive capabilities. The Sith empire was destroyed and left with only 2. The Jedi have nearly been wiped out. The Force is trying to restore balance to the universe. This great awakening is how that's happening. And Rey is an important part of restoring that balance. She is one with the force. The force is with her.