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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:51 pm to blueboy
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:51 pm to blueboy
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Nobody's feelings are hurt. But Jon won again and again and he's king in the north. How'd that happen?
HE has the name........ He won battles through the intersession of others........ He is likeable and has good leadership qualities.
Being a good military tactician is not one of them.
His plan for the Battle of the Bastards was flawed. His plan was suicide. His best weapon (wun wun) was not armored or armed with a suitable weapon.
Robb Stark won military victory after military victory by outsmarting the opposing commander. He lost his war though.
John Snow has yet to outsmart another military commander, but he may still win his war.
Settle down, you are wrong. It's OK.
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:56 pm to Scoob
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also predicted that Randyll Tarly would stay loyal to the Tyrells, so that he would later meet up with Sam
I simply cannot fathom why they had him die in that ridiculous manner. I hope in the books he has more of an impact o the war. He has been built up as some great commander and we get him for one battle (which happens largely off screen) and then a total route of extremely overmatched forces.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:02 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Hitting the hay, but remember YouTube guys. Not just the comments section, but your recs. They popped up for me in the last leak without ever even looking at them.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:02 am to RuLSU
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I'm betting the attempt to turn Sansa and Arya against each other will cause LF's death.
100%
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:05 am to CBandits82
I'm willing to bet that Sansa will figure out that Arya is being played and outmaneuver that slimey bastard. Trouble is, I'm afraid Arya might die in the attempt. I say let Arya kill him, then take his face and command the Vale army to the wall to fight the Night King.
Then I think her mentor will kill her. Jacques H'agar, or whatever his name is. I don't want her to die, but surely he won't let her continue to free range as a rogue assassin...
I do not frequent the spoiler threads and associate with those weak minded hoopleheads. I purposely avoid the spoilers as I like to be entertained with the unexpected.
Then I think her mentor will kill her. Jacques H'agar, or whatever his name is. I don't want her to die, but surely he won't let her continue to free range as a rogue assassin...
I do not frequent the spoiler threads and associate with those weak minded hoopleheads. I purposely avoid the spoilers as I like to be entertained with the unexpected.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:07 am to CCT
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I do not frequent the spoiler threads and associate with those weak minded hoopleheads
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:15 am to CBandits82
yep, this has to be.
Arya will be pissed off with Sansa after a while of arguing Sansa will tell the truth about the scroll. Arya can tell how bad of a liar Sansa is and realize she is genuine and realizes they've been played.
Arya says, I got this fam.
Arya will be pissed off with Sansa after a while of arguing Sansa will tell the truth about the scroll. Arya can tell how bad of a liar Sansa is and realize she is genuine and realizes they've been played.
Arya says, I got this fam.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 1:16 am
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:15 am to CCT
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Then I think her mentor will kill her. Jacques H'agar, or whatever his name is. I don't want her to die, but surely he won't let her continue to free range as a rogue assassin...
If I remember correctly when she told him I am Ayra Stark and I am going home he let off a huge grin, like that was the plan all along? So does he really want her dead?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:19 am to highpockets
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If I remember correctly when she told him I am Ayra Stark and I am going home he let off a huge grin, like that was the plan all along? So does he really want her dead?
I feel like she left on good terms, and if he didn't want her to be a travelling assassin he never would have let Arya leave in the first place
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:14 am to cgrand
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the problem is that Jon died once already
while interesting it backs the story into a corner and removes any further suspicion that he could die again. Yes he might sacrifice himself but that just reinforces the standard trope
it's a problem if the story aspires to more than that
I think book version of resurrected Jon may end up being way less trope-y.
Theory I just read
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The idea of a skinchanger zombie last hero also happens to make a lot of sense from a logistical and rational perspective, as they are the ideal candidates to journey into the cold dead lands and confront the Others, having no need for food, shelter, warmth, sleep.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:33 am to highpockets
I don't remember the grin. Oops. Oh well.
A man grows old...
A man grows old...
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:02 am to jchamil
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I feel like she left on good terms, and if he didn't want her to be a travelling assassin he never would have let Arya leave in the first place
A lot of people are also connecting dots, rightly or wrongly, that Arya telling Brienne that she learned to sword fight from "no one" was suggesting that her first teacher in Kings Landing was also J'aquen and they basically put in a lot of effort to recruit her. I don't think they made it very clear in the show that she left on good terms but I think it's obvious that she is or as you said they'd have already done something about it.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
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A lot of people are also connecting dots, rightly or wrongly, that Arya telling Brienne that she learned to sword fight from "no one" was suggesting that her first teacher in Kings Landing was also J'aquen and they basically put in a lot of effort to recruit her.
No, i didn't get that vibe at all. I think she left on good terms but think the above is a bit far fetched.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:13 am to Sneaky__Sally
Syrio was from Braavos, finding a local instructor for Arya in KL would seem a lot more likely. Then almost immediately after Syrio helped her escape, Arya stumbles upon the very capable J'aquen who has been "captured" by some low level grunts. Reaching? Yes. Far Fetch? I'm not sure it is.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:28 am to TigerinATL
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Arya telling Brienne that she learned to sword fight from "no one" was suggesting that her first teacher in Kings Landing was also J'aquen
I took it as Brienne asked "where did you learn that" was about the dagger flip from one hand to the other, to which the answer was "no one". Not the sword fighting itself.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:32 am to TigerinATL
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Syrio was from Braavos, finding a local instructor for Arya in KL would seem a lot more likely. Then almost immediately after Syrio helped her escape, Arya stumbles upon the very capable J'aquen who has been "captured" by some low level grunts. Reaching? Yes. Far Fetch? I'm not sure it is.
Its not impossible, but certainly seems to be a very strong reach.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:53 am to CBandits82
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100%
The pieces are all in place. The sisters are reunited (in Winterfell, no less). Bran is there, as well, and knows everything. He just can't process it all - but he even taunted LF a little bit with "Chaos is a ladder." At some point he can tell the sisters that LF is to blame for all of it due to his scheming. Mystery solved. Order a coffin.
Now, the books might go all the way to Asshai and back to resolve this thread, but the show is known to just cut to the chase on some things, especially now with the shot clock literally running out.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
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Syrio was from Braavos, finding a local instructor for Arya in KL would seem a lot more likely. Then almost immediately after Syrio helped her escape, Arya stumbles upon the very capable J'aquen who has been "captured" by some low level grunts. Reaching? Yes. Far Fetch? I'm not sure it is.
She didn't just stumble upon J'aqen. She might not have known it but she had been praying to the Many Faced God every night when she recited her list. He sent J'aqen to her.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:38 am to shinerfan
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She didn't just stumble upon J'aqen. She might not have known it but she had been praying to the Many Faced God every night when she recited her list. He sent J'aqen to her.
I like it. A girls says a name....or 8.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:43 am to shinerfan
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She might not have known it but she had been praying to the Many Faced God every night when she recited her list. He sent J'aqen to her.
This is pretty solid - just as making her into "No One" then letting her go back to finish her list. They know she'll either finish that list in 3 to 5 years, or die in the attempt. If it's the former, they figure she'll be extremely bored and far too wild to settle down in a castle, so she'll return and they'll get 3 or 4 decades of service out of their investment.
I haven't ruled out the Iron Bank setting all that up to give them options should whoever ends up in charge not wanting to pay them back. Admittedly, that may be a little crackpotty.
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