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re: Game of Thrones SPOILER PARTY (frick it, just spoil it all)
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:15 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:15 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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They killed him for letting the wildlings behind the wall...their sworn enemies at least until now. Which is kinda the point and what Jon learned at Hardhome. They will need everyone to stop the white walkers even the wildlings.
Someone IS coming to get them you see.
My point was it didn't matter whether or not their killing of Jon was sanctioned by the rules. They don't have to answer to anybody.
It sounds like you are on my side, though.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 9:16 pm
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:26 pm to blueboy
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Yes I'm sure they do kill people who announce they're leaving and make plans to do so, especially when they are lord commanders.
You realize Jon Snow actually did this once already, right?
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For the watch" is a profession of the community desire to adhere to the oath and maintain thousands of years of discipline, with no exceptions. You can't kill a commander because you disagree with a decision. In the book, they are justified. On the show, they are not. It's not an opinion. It's pretty straightforward.
Jon Snow got the Julius Caesar treatment. An attack like that makes way more sense as a planned conspiracy and not a glorified lynching.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:29 pm to BlacknGold
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No I get that its a big deal. Just seems really out of character for Jon to just say "k bye. going to winterfell now." if this is what happened, I think the show really did it better and gave it a more believable and true to character motivation. Jon turning down the opportunity to go to Winterfell makes 100% sense, same as everyone turning on him for his wildlings ploy.
Do you even Pink Letter, brah.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:54 am to ohiovol
Sorry to back to back post, but I came across this Youtube video (actually 2 - they have parts 1 and 2) about some of the real historical inspirations of some of the characters and events of GoT.
One of the better Youtube bits on Game of Thrones (and there are about like a billion of them of wildly varying quality).
Game of Thrones/Real HIstory
One of the better Youtube bits on Game of Thrones (and there are about like a billion of them of wildly varying quality).
Game of Thrones/Real HIstory
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:16 pm to ohiovol
quote:no. He didn't. He was ordered to go with the wild longs by the Halfhand. He was almost executed for it, but it was determined that he was justified for the reason stated. He went to Hardhome to prevent more dead being recruited by the way army and to save wild.imgs to be used as allies against them.
You realize Jon Snow actually did this once already, right?
Do you even watch this show?
Posted on 4/21/16 at 8:20 pm to blueboy
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no. He didn't. He was ordered to go with the wild longs by the Halfhand. He was almost executed for it, but it was determined that he was justified for the reason stated. He went to Hardhome to prevent more dead being recruited by the way army and to save wild.imgs to be used as allies against them.
Do you even watch this show?
Do you? I'm obviously talking about him leaving in season one. Remember how his brothers came after him and didn't immediately stab him?
Posted on 4/23/16 at 5:45 pm to ohiovol
That happens all the time, especially when they go get some pussy at Mole Town. Publicly proclaiming that you are leaving the order to go fight a war is quite a bit of a different situation.
Letting the wildlings in through the Wall is not a breach of oath. It's just unpopular.
If you're too stupid to understand the difference, stop talking to me. I'm tired of explaining it to you.
Letting the wildlings in through the Wall is not a breach of oath. It's just unpopular.
If you're too stupid to understand the difference, stop talking to me. I'm tired of explaining it to you.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 5:49 pm to blueboy
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Letting the wildlings in through the Wall is not a breach of oath. It's just unpopular.
And needed if they have any hope. We all know they don't have a shred of hope.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 5:53 pm to glassman
After what happened at the Fist of the First Men and Hardhome, I couldn't understand the Nightswatch's reluctance to let the Wildlings through the wall. Surely they understood what would happen to them if they didn't?
Posted on 4/23/16 at 6:02 pm to Aubie Spr96
I thought the same thing about what happened after hardhome in the show. HAving said that, denial is strong.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 6:02 pm to Aubie Spr96
Alliser Thorne and the other main opposer dudes never went to the fists of the first men and they also were not at hardhomme. I think that Alisser has a legit distrust in the stories of the white walkers and the dead walking.
This post was edited on 4/23/16 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 4/23/16 at 6:24 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
Also, Alister is a fricking pussy wimp so he doesn't count for anything. I can't stand that worthless sack of buffalo oysters.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 6:57 pm to blueboy
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That happens all the time
Which proves how stupid it is that this time they all decided to kill him on the spot before he actually broke his vows. By your logic, Jeor Mormont should have beheaded him in book/season one (and of course, made sure to say "for the watch").
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If you're too stupid to understand the difference, stop talking to me. I'm tired of explaining it to you.
If that makes you feel better.
This post was edited on 4/23/16 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 4/23/16 at 7:02 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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Alliser Thorne and the other main opposer dudes never went to the fists of the first men and they also were not at hardhomme. I think that Alisser has a legit distrust in the stories of the white walkers and the dead walking.
I also think they believe the wall will protect them.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 8:45 pm to ohiovol
quote:No, not by my logic. By your logic. When he and others go to Mole Town, it's when they are young recruits who are either lonely or having second thoughts. This is a youthful indiscretion and they look the other way. Technically, they should kill them, but as Aemon says, if they did that, all they'd have are heads guarding the Wall.
By your logic, Jeor Mormont should have beheaded him in book/season one (and of course, made sure to say "for the watch").
Being the fricking LORD COMMANDER and proclaiming to a room full of people that you hereby quit the Watch and are riding south is a huge difference. Just get it, goddammit, or I'm going to reach through this computer screen and slap the shite out of you.
To recap:
Lord Commander announcing retirement and intent to desert - capital offense
LC letting in wildlings - unpopular but not a breach of oath
You - stringy-haired Tennessee mountain hick
Posted on 4/23/16 at 8:45 pm to ohiovol
dp
This post was edited on 4/23/16 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:01 pm to blueboy
I don't remember him saying I quit the watch, he did say he was riding south with the wildlings to take back his home from the Boltons and be invited any man that would stand with him to come. He basically said he was going to defend his sister and kill the man that wishes to cut out his bastard heart. He was coming back and he was sending another group to hardhome to rescue more wildlings. So he didn't quit the nightwatch, he was just going on a mission.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:26 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
quote:Wrong. He did say he was leaving the Watch. The very fact that he intended to ride south to participate in the war constitutes a breach of oath. They aren't allowed to do that.
I don't remember him saying I quit the watch, he did say he was riding south with the wildlings to take back his home from the Boltons and be invited any man that would stand with him to come. He basically said he was going to defend his sister and kill the man that wishes to cut out his bastard heart. He was coming back and he was sending another group to hardhome to rescue more wildlings. So he didn't quit the nightwatch, he was just going on a mission.
He also thinks to himself after saying it "So, is this what it feels like to be an oathbreaker? It feels good."
So, even by his own admission, he has broken his oath.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:38 pm to blueboy
He broke the oath, (not participating in southern conflicts)he wasn't leaving the watch. He had every intention of remaining the lord commander of the nights watch. He was still sending his guys on a mission to hardhome right before announcing he was riding south. I just re read the chapter of this I am sure.
This post was edited on 4/23/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:42 pm to blueboy
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By your logic, Jeor Mormont should have beheaded him in book/season one (and of course, made sure to say "for the watch").
No, not by my logic. By your logic. When he and others go to Mole Town, it's when they are young recruits who are either lonely or having second thoughts. This is a youthful indiscretion and they look the other way. Technically, they should kill them, but as Aemon says, if they did that, all they'd have are heads guarding the Wall.
Being the fricking LORD COMMANDER and proclaiming to a room full of people that you hereby quit the Watch and are riding south is a huge difference. Just get it, goddammit, or I'm going to reach through this computer screen and slap the shite out of you.
To recap:
Lord Commander announcing retirement and intent to desert - capital offense
LC letting in wildlings - unpopular but not a breach of oath
You - stringy-haired Tennessee mountain hick
Justify it by whatever name calling you want. The truth is it never made much sense in the books to have a planned assassination materialize that quickly.
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