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re: Game of Thrones S5:E7:"The Gift", HODORS ONLY(No Book Readers)

Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:26 pm to
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have people not realized by now that this show is a slow burner that will set something up in an early episode to deliver the payoff at a later date?


Im aware of this and ok with it. It wasnt THAT they saved Bron but the way they went about it.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:31 pm to
I just don't see how you can say it's useless or a poor scene when we don't know why she did it or how it will play out in the future.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:32 pm to
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the possibilities are just weak. bronn is a fan favorite and a great secondary character, but a bad primary character

this SCREAMS of the tv writers just trying to give Bronn more scream time b/c he's popular...the exact opposite move of why this show is popular

also, regardless of where bronn is going, i doubt that scene establishes much. he should have never been poisoned and i bet you can end up in the same place without that scene/act


again, that cant be said with any kind of authority when you dont know where they are going with it.

everything you said is nothing more than conjecture at this point.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 1:33 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:34 pm to
individually i don't hate the episodes (as entire units), but the direction this is going has me worried.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:45 pm to
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I just don't see how you can say it's useless or a poor scene when we don't know why she did it or how it will play out in the future.


Hey guy who tried to kill me, take a look at my tits and give me attention. Maybe I will save you.

Yup definitely the only way they could have went about saving him of course. Pure genius
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:58 pm to
again, I just dont see how you can knock an individual scene's usefulness when we dont yet know what it is being used to set up.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 1:59 pm to
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individually i don't hate the episodes (as entire units), but the direction this is going has me worried.


your response has zero to do with the rip of incessantly nitpicking the importance of specific scenes within the show that we do not yet know the significance of.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:01 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:02 pm to
think of the tree of possibilities of what can be set up with that scene. it's not that much

the sand snakes are pretty useless outside of dorne. bronn is pretty useless except for minor incidents of individual combat (at the request/contract with a high lord). there is only one thing of real substance in dorne (marcella)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:03 pm to
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your response has zero to do with the rip of incessantly nitpicking the importance of specific scenes within the show that we do not yet know the significance of.

i doubt this scene can be of any importance without shite going off the rails. the biggest thing that can happen in dorne is that marcella dies, which doesn't really require bronn.

*ETA: it certainly doesn't require a poisoned bronn who is poisoned for all of 45 seconds
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:08 pm to
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I just dont see how you can knock an individual scene's usefulness when we dont yet know what it is being used to set up.


It is blatantly obvious that the sand snakes will need/use Bronn and giving him the antidote was a way to ensure that. It could be to escape or achieve something else, but that doesnt matter. Either way that scene could have been done differently
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:09 pm
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:21 pm to
Im running through possibilities on how that scene could be useful and can come up with absolutely none.

Based on the way shite is going though they'll have a trial by frick off and Bronn bangs them all or something and if they all like it he is saved?

Something fricking stupid is the only real reason that scene could ever be "useful".

I feel like its only going to get cheesier until they frick battle out at winterfell. The John snow scene is going to be super cheesy making peace with the wildlings, the Doran story sucks arse, so has the Maureen story.

I'll keep watching of course but this season literally has me forgetting its on Sunday night.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to
maybe he marries her so he can teach her to fight?

I dunno.

i just dont see the point of complaining about something that is obviously being used to set something else up.

once we get whatever payoff its supposed to be for, sure, lets break it down.

right now? ehh... thats like complaining about a scene you dont see the point of in chapter 17 of a 30 chapter book that you havent finished reading.

this is doubly true since this is a tv adaptation that has made it pretty clear it's very willing to change the story from what happens in the books.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:29 pm
Posted by 0jersey
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:27 pm to
Holy Hell there's a whole lot of sand-filled vaginas on here these days.

Firstly, the High Septon storyline is plausible bc there is zero power at the throne anymore. The hand is off to the iron bank, the uncle who'd wreck this religious uprising hates Cersei and is back at Casterly Rock, Jaimie and Tyrion are gone and obviously boss man Tywin is dead. Tommen has zero guidance other than Cersei. LF and Varys also gone.

This is all to show the fallout of the foreshadowing given by Tywin's conversation w Cersei that she isn't as smart as she thinks she is. Cersei herself has talked Tommen out of force against the Sparrows. I don't think this storyline is too much of a stretch.

There's a lot of moving parts to this season, and I suspect a big payoff per GoT usual.

The show generally seems to inch along without much seeming to happen, but when the seasons wrap up everyone looks back to realize a lot happened.

If you binge watch the seasons prior to the beginning of a new season there seems to be a lot more happening bc you don't have to wait.

If it's really going downhill just stop watching already.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:30 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:29 pm to
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Either way that scene could have been done differently

It was pretty stupid.

I liked the episode, but it felt like there were several pretty useless scenes/stories in it (Gilly rape, Dany pillow talk, Bronn/sand snake, etc.).

We all know this show is a pretty slow burn, but it certainly seems like it's burning awfully fricking slow. After this episode, I was thinking to myself "man, feels like we've only seen like 4 or 5 episodes so far, but there are only three left this season."

I love the show, and it's awesome. But there definitely seems to be some wasted screen time...which is expected to a degree, but when you have the breadth that this show has, you should be getting as much important shite in as you can. It's one reason I wish the seasons were 12 episodes instead of 10.

But all in all, I liked the episode.

Glad to see Cersei finally getting some sort of comeuppance, although she better not die yet, because she's an awesome character. I'm super interested to see how the whole Cersei/Olenna/Littlefinger thing plays out. King's Landing is getting hella interesting lately.

Good to see jorah still putting the pussy on a pedestal (and getting shot down).

Gilly rape scene was weird, but watching Sam get his dick wet was pretty hilarious.

Stannis telling red titty witch to GTFO was awesome. If she tries to frick with Shireen, I may jump through my TV and strangle that hoe. And my boy Davos will frick her up for sure.

Was glad to see Theon hoe out Sansa. After all he's been through to be conditioned how he is, I would've been pissed if one short conversation with Sansa turned him around.

Dorne needs to pick up a lot. Jaime is there, but Myrcella refuses to go with him. I wonder if he will tell her that he is her father (or if that will come out somehow). Might have to do something like that to get her to leave. Bronn and dem hoez in the jail scene was really weird and forced. It felt pretty stupid to me, and I really (really) hope those Sandsnake chicks are over and done with soon...everything about them sucks arse (except for that one chick's body; she was nice).
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:05 pm
Posted by CarRamrod
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:35 pm to
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Hey guy who tried to kill me, take a look at my tits and give me attention. Maybe I will save you.
Bronn was just playing with her. He told her that, that he would have really fought her if she wasnt a girl.

I feel they are out to kill Lanisters and when they found out he was just some cool hired hand they figured why should he die.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:39 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:35 pm to
everything in dorne has been one epic disaster after another (the only exception being the cool scorpion-esque uniforms)

the Sand Snakes are both terrible actors as well as retarded characters. that whole revenge plot is utterly retarded

Jaime's plan to get Macella, however, was an "all in" raise to the Sand Snakes' bullshite. assuming his niece is all like "omg lol frick dorne", how in the 7 hells are they going to get her out of there? especially since the prince is about 5 feet away. Dornish stallions may be awesome, but i'm pretty sure the Dornish warriors in the keep have a couple of their own. and Jaime/Bron would have to make it to a dock for a ship, which i'm pretty sure the prince's men could get word to, first.

so no expectation of failure or bullshite in Dorne is beyond the realm of possibility. expecting something good is the longshot, here. they may be setting something up, but it's clear that they have no idea of what they're doing in Dorne, so whatever that goal is, will almost assuredly suck hodor balls
Posted by navy
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:37 pm to
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Holy Hell there's a whole lot of sand-filled vaginas on here these days.



Damn right ... anyone who has an issue with the Bronn antidote scene and seeing an extremely nice set of tatas ... well, maybe it is he/she that has the problem.

Personally, I enjoyed that scene ... would watch again ... anytime.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:38 pm to
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Dany pillow talk


I forgot this even happened. That should speak pretty loudly for how horrible that story line is.


Oh and book nerds lurking in this thread
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:44 pm to
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everything in dorne has been one epic disaster after another


not really but continue on with your hyperbolic complaints if it makes you feel better.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 2:45 pm to
what has not been a disaster in dorne? the scene where they eat snake?
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