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re: Game of Thrones S5E4 "Sons of the Harpy" (Bookish Types; SPOILERS)

Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:38 pm to
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If Ned simply thought Lyanna was there, he would have brought his army with him. Ned certainly knew he'd find his sister with Lyanna's child there with the remaining members of the Kingsguard.


I'm not really sure I follow this. Why would he bring the army if he just thought he would find Lyanna? Why would he want more people?

edit: Unless you're saying because he wanted it to be a secret?
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 7:40 pm
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:40 pm to
Plausible deniability?
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:41 pm to
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is actively hunting Targaryens to make sure his own house doesn't fall doesn't strike me as a man who would overlook it.



I don't really think this was the case. I thought Tywin just had Elia's kids killed to appease Robert. I'm not sure he thought about it anymore than that.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:46 pm to
And where the frick is Ghost?!?

I miss the wolves.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:55 pm to
Do you even Nymeria bro?
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:56 pm to
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But that's even more suspicious. Why would he go there without his army behind his back? He went there with his most trusted men.
Beats the shite outta me.

I was hoping that Bronn would train Jaime up, like Ser Ilyn did. It sucks that he's just a crappy fighter now. If the Halfhand can teach himself to fight with his left and become great at it, I think Jaime can learn to be at least good at it. Maybe the hand incident will give him the idea of having a shield or other weapon fitted to his stump.

Which reminds me. Did anyone else notice that Ser Ilyn was dropped from Arya's list? I guess the show is done with him.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:58 pm to
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And where the frick is Ghost?!?

I miss the wolves.

I was wondering the same thing about Ghost.

And has the show even mentioned Nymeria since Arya ran him off?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 7:59 pm to
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edit: Unless you're saying because he wanted it to be a secret?



That's exactly what I'm saying. I think he knew that with Robert's dragonspawn comment that he would for sure have the child killed. He knew Jon was there from the start and he wanted as few people as possible to know about this. If he brought his army with him, no way could he have kept this secret.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:10 pm to
I agree with that, but what does it have to do with Tywin Lannister?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:13 pm to
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I agree with that, but what does it have to do with Tywin Lannister?



That with the info I just provided, Tywin should have figured it out on what Ned found there.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:27 pm to
So how did Stannis end up married to that psycho bitch Selyse? I know she's a Florent and high born but Stannis should have pawned he off to Renly IMO. How did that match get made?
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:30 pm to
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That with the info I just provided, Tywin should have figured it out on what Ned found there.
All speculative, but if he did, he'd have had no reason to go after Jon. He would have known that Ned Stark was not likely to reveal Jon's identity, thereby presenting a rival for his good friend Robert's throne. He would also not be likely to go to war against the North over a child that would have to be legitimized by Robert or his successors in order to be a threat to the throne.

By the way, what happened to Dawn after Dayne was killed. I don't remember whether or not it was mentioned.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:35 pm to
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By the way, what happened to Dawn after Dayne was killed. I don't remember whether or not it was mentioned.


Ned made a trip to Starfall to return it, and Ashara Dayne killed herself. Starfall was the closest castle to the Tower of Joy, so I suspect Ashara tipped off Ned in order to get her brother spared.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:35 pm to
Ned returned Dawn to Starfall after the Tower of Joy
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:36 pm to
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And where the frick is Ghost?!?


good question, written off like the girl in Family Matters most likely.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:40 pm to
He was shown at the wall earlier this season I thought.
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 8:53 pm to
I just rewatched the episode and realized that Stannis says his daughter caught the greyscale from a doll. How is that possible?
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:04 pm to
Derp

I know nothing
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 9:08 pm
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:05 pm to
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I just rewatched the episode and realized that Stannis says his daughter caught the greyscale from a doll. How is that possible?



I noticed that also.

Meanwhile his wife keeps saying she gave birth to a diseased child?
Posted by iluvdatiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 9:10 pm to
Ok well he sure did imply the wooden doll he gave her as a baby had something to do with it.
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