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re: Frodo at the end of ROTK

Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:04 pm to
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:04 pm to
The first time I read the Silmarillion, I didn't enjoy it overmuch. But, that was pre-internet era, so I really didn't know what to expect, and when it turned out to be (as you mentioned) a bit like a history book (or more accurately, a mythology textbook), I was disappointed. It was only after reading it again later, knowing what to expect, that I began to get more out of it. A lot of Tolkien's genius lies in his obliqueness. Take the story I mentioned in my first post in this thread about Arwen, Aragorn, and Elrond. It is never outright spelled out in LOTR that Arwen's choice about whether to be human or elf has consequences that extend beyond the grave. That extra depth is not only hidden in the Silmarillion, but it requires you to connect the dots in a couple of different passages, and then realize on your own that the mythological rule that those passages establish not only applies to the characters in LOTR, but illuminates the story in a way that you had not previously appreciated. Those are the moments (and there are many others) that make the Silmarillion something really unique in literature, fantasy or otherwise.
Posted by red_giraffe
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2012
1045 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:15 pm to
I think a mythology textbook describes it perfectly. I got about halfway through the first time I tried to read it. But since I've finished the entire thing I still find myself going back and re-reading parts to gain a better understanding. I've never made any of those connections like you did, though. So I think I'm going to have to go back and read it again this summer and think about the stories in different contexts. You've given great input. Always glad to see Tolkien fans on this board!
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3182 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:27 am to
Can someone explain a little more about Galadriel?

LOTR wiki says she was one of the ringbearers - why did she try to attack Frodo?

Also, were her and her husband equal to Elrond in the elf aristocracy?

Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:49 am to
I don't remember Galadriel trying to attack Frodo so I can't help you with that one.

I do think that she was at least equal to Elrond. He ruled Rivendell and she and her husband ruled the area the Fellowship took refuge in after they went through Moria and Gandalf fell.

To be honest though, her husband always seemed to strike me as something of a cuck. Seemed like she called the shots.

She did bear a ring but not the one ring. In the movie she realized that if she accepted the one ring, which Frodo offered her, she would become corrupted in her own way and so declined it.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4121 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:53 am to
She was older - more powerful than Elrond as one of the Noldor that came back to middle-earth in the war for the Silmarils. She also has one of three Elvish rings that Sauron was never able to spoil/curse.
Elrond had the ring of knowledge, Galadriel had the ring of adamant(resistance to age/decay)ie - Lothlorien, and Gandalf, via Círdan the Shipwright (grey havens), the ring of fire. "I am servant of the secret fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3182 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 9:56 am to
Awesome, thanks.

Man you can go down the rabbit hole with this stuff.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1471 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 11:53 am to
In fact, by the time the Third Age ended Galadriel was the second oldest known elf in Middle Earth (Cirdan had first place by a wide margin) and due to her teachings in Valinor and Doriath was one of the most powerful beings to still walk the land.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 12:18 pm to
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
6533 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Also, wasn't a lot of his own power put into it?


He put all of his power into it. He masked himself as a benevolent spirit named Annatar, Lord of Gifts. He showed the Noldorin eleven smiths of Eregion on how to forge the rings of power. He convinced them to make 3 for the remaining Noldorin Kings in Middle Earth, Seven for the Dwarven Lords, and 9 for the kings of men.

He put all of his power into the one ring, with the intent of being able to control all the lords and effectively the 3 noble races of Middle Earth. However as soon as he put on the ring, he revealed his true intentions to the Elves and thus started the War of the Ring.

The problem Sauron had with doing this though, was that by putting so much of himself into the one ring, he needed to be wearing it all times or his power was greatly diminished, such as he could not take physical form. With the ring on he could control the others however.

That is why he is a more of a shadow of malice after Isildur cut the one ring from his hand. The One ring contains so much of his power however that it can still control the other rings and is always searching for a way back to Sauron.
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